Moonkin Raiding - Page 31

Humbaba · 01/30/09, 9:18 AM

What kind of lag are you guys seeing for these 5k parses? On Mal'ganis I'm getting horrible latency and trying to decide how much of it is me being bad and how much is my starfires taking 4 seconds to cast. Moving the latency numbers in Wrath Calcs moves me from an expected 4900 dps to an expected 3900 dps if I go from 200ms lag to 700ms lag. I think 700 is probably on the low end for MG until about 10 pm, too.

• Adoriele · 01/30/09, 9:53 AM

Originally Posted by Humbaba

What kind of lag are you guys seeing for these 5k parses? On Mal'ganis I'm getting horrible latency and trying to decide how much of it is me being bad and how much is my starfires taking 4 seconds to cast. Moving the latency numbers in Wrath Calcs moves me from an expected 4900 dps to an expected 3900 dps if I go from 200ms lag to 700ms lag. I think 700 is probably on the low end for MG until about 10 pm, too.

Well, with spellqueueing, your "latency" should never be as high as your ping, though it gets harder to effectively spellqueue the higher your ping anyway, especially when you're in the Force-proc phase of Eclipse. I wished I'd actually been able to make Patch within the last couple weeks so I'd be able to give an idea of what my ping/DPS looked like (ironically, this week I dropped out just before Patch to reboot my router because of ping issues, and got trapped in the queue).

Lord BEEF · 01/30/09, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Humbaba

What kind of lag are you guys seeing for these 5k parses? On Mal'ganis I'm getting horrible latency and trying to decide how much of it is me being bad and how much is my starfires taking 4 seconds to cast. Moving the latency numbers in Wrath Calcs moves me from an expected 4900 dps to an expected 3900 dps if I go from 200ms lag to 700ms lag. I think 700 is probably on the low end for MG until about 10 pm, too.

Getting 5k on Mal'ganis on a Tuesday night is very difficult. On the weekend it's pretty easy. Nights other than Tuesday don't seem to bad in my opinion though

Droodey · 01/31/09, 12:58 AM

Havent read this forum for a while, But it seems all these top WWS parses happened on the 20/21/22/23 Jan during the Misery bug, if you go to wowmeters and look up the charts for all casters it seems all new records were set on the same day, depending where you are in the world, I dont believe these parses should be used, I myself broke some personal records that day and some would have made 1st on wowmeters as well, However due to that bug I probably wont ever see those results again untill im in T8.

Leafwipings · 01/31/09, 11:02 AM

From asking around and viewing multiple forums my dps seems to be lower than it should. I feel that I should be pushing around 4k dps with my current spec and gear.

Spec.
The World of Warcraft Armory

WowStats
WWS Loading... 3Drake OS

WWS Loading... 3Drake OS 1/2
Wow Web Stats 3Drake OS 2/2

I know OS requires moving around and will hinder some of my DPS. But im not seeing lower numbers in OS only. I will try and post some 25man Naxx and Maly

Current rotations:
IS,MF, wrath to proc eclipse, then SF unless MF needs refreshed, once Eclipse is down but still on internal CD, IS, wrath, once this is up. I start the rotation over. I either cast FF +treants, or Starfall at the begining or end of a rotation given they are up.

Please give any hints or suggestions as to what im doing wrong.

Jezz · 01/31/09, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by Leafwipings

From asking around and viewing multiple forums my dps seems to be lower than it should. I feel that I should be pushing around 4k dps with my current spec and gear.

Spec.
The World of Warcraft Armory

WowStats
WWS Loading... 3Drake OS

WWS Loading... 3Drake OS 1/2
Wow Web Stats 3Drake OS 2/2

I know OS requires moving around and will hinder some of my DPS. But im not seeing lower numbers in OS only. I will try and post some 25man Naxx and Maly

Current rotations:
IS,MF, wrath to proc eclipse, then SF unless MF needs refreshed, once Eclipse is down but still on internal CD, IS, wrath, once this is up. I start the rotation over. I either cast FF +treants, or Starfall at the begining or end of a rotation given they are up.

Please give any hints or suggestions as to what im doing wrong.

There really is little point attempting to judge DPS on anything but patchwerk. All other bosses have far too many variables and especially with 3 drakes, your DPS could probably differ by 700/800 or so depending on firewalls and treants don't often survive any longer than a few seconds there either.

With your gear I would say you should be able to pull 4K on patchwerk, though to improve you should probably gem to reach the hit cap also your rotation seems fine apart from "once Eclipse is down but still on internal CD, IS, wrath", use SF instead of wrath.

Leafwipings · 01/31/09, 4:29 PM

I read or was told to cap at 9% hit in 25man with SP and dranei in raid. Is this not correct? I normally use 40 hit food.

Jezz · 01/31/09, 4:36 PM

Originally Posted by Leafwipings

I read or was told to cap at 9% hit in 25man with SP and dranei in raid. Is this not correct? I normally use 40 hit food.

Yes, 9% is correct for alliance, I would personally choose to cap it with gems incase you die and get combat ressed or something - but if you are using the food it should be fine.

Aside from that, wait for patchwerk and try using SF instead of wrath. If you are still doing less DPS than you think you are doing, are you definitely receiving all possible buffs (http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/)? Aside from some possible problems with latency and therefore not making the most out of eclipse, I have no idea what the problem could be.

Leafwipings · 01/31/09, 5:18 PM

I have used the SF during the internal CD for my rotation and didnt notice much of a difference, but was told that wrath was more mana conserv. I thought SF was more mana eff, but the person telling me this put out more dps than me so Ive been using the wrath rotation. I will attempt the SF rotation next during patch, since guild ran first 2 wings without me this week. As far as all raid buffs, I do believe so. Including mage spec for 10% crit for all casters, ele shaman, SP, a dreani, we have been lacking a ret pally due to personal problems. But all other slots are filled looking that mmo-champ link you posted.

Marauding Master · 02/02/09, 4:41 PM

The spellpower-to-haste breakpoint is currently around 1950 spellpower. At what point does the +16 haste gem take over the +19 spellpower gem in terms of DPS? And how does the +9 spellpower +8 haste rating fit into that equation?

Alerian · 02/02/09, 5:00 PM

Starfall getting a damage increase:

Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler

The purpose of Starfall is to do extra damage. What I mean by that is that the spell is not channeled so you can use it along with a Hurricane or whatever other spell you want to cast. It was never intended to be a de-stealther and we've become unenamored with random stun chances added to other spells.

One criticism which we think is totally valid is the paltry coefficient on Starfall. We will be hotfixing in a more reasonable number soon (tm).

From: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Starfall Discussion

• Adoriele · 02/02/09, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by Marauding Master

The spellpower-to-haste breakpoint is currently around 1950 spellpower. At what point does the +16 haste gem take over the +19 spellpower gem in terms of DPS? And how does the +9 spellpower +8 haste rating fit into that equation?

Um. No it's not. In fact, with about 500 Haste, it's around 2700 Spellpower (so about 2200+haste Spellpower). As for how that affects the gem weightings, it looks like Quick overtakes Runed at about 3500 Spellpower, again assuming 500 haste to start, or about 3000+haste spellpower. Reckless will overtake Runed a little earlier than that, as you're not missing out on as much Spellpower, relatively.

Ashaera · 02/02/09, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by Marauding Master

The spellpower-to-haste breakpoint is currently around 1950 spellpower. At what point does the +16 haste gem take over the +19 spellpower gem in terms of DPS? And how does the +9 spellpower +8 haste rating fit into that equation?

Using wrathcalc I get these values with my optimal pre Ulduar set:
1 sp = 1.34 dps.
1 haste = 1.24 dps.

9Sp = 12.02 dps.
8 Haste = 9.92 dps.

19 sp = 25.38 dps.
16 haste = 19.83 dps.

In any realistic gear setting your better off stacking spellpower for now.

ultrajustin · 02/03/09, 7:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ashaera

Using wrathcalc I get these values with my optimal pre Ulduar set:
1 sp = 1.34 dps.
1 haste = 1.24 dps.

9Sp = 12.02 dps.
8 Haste = 9.92 dps.

19 sp = 25.38 dps.
16 haste = 19.83 dps.

In any realistic gear setting your better off stacking spellpower for now.

----- Thanks so much for these calculations.. I was about to get on and research this very thing -- Justinin is now at 2870spellpower in 25mans.. (trinket fully activated, totems, flasks, blah blah). I've been wondering if he was getting close to this point.

It's interesting to see how close things seem to be getting though... Ulduar/post-ulduar may cap a few people... take care

bobby_franx · 02/04/09, 1:05 AM

22 man naxx, 6k patchwerk parse:

Wow Web Stats

treants do tons of damage