Moonkin Raiding - Page 32

ninor · 02/04/09, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by bobby_franx

22 man naxx, 6k patchwerk parse:

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treants do tons of damage

Your parse doesn't look right to me. 90% dps time on the tanks?

dukes · 02/04/09, 7:04 AM

That parse is strange. It's showing a kill time of 3'54" with a DPS time of 2'30", out of an active presence of 2'50".

The first and last actions carried out by Patchwerk are:
02:06'12.590 Patchwerk attack was dodged by Devilheals.
02:08'44.819 Patchwerk melee swing hits Dureau for 5105 Physical. (1614 Blocked)
which gives an engaged time of approx 2'32".

The first and last damage done by Durotard to Patchwerk are:
02:06'12.564 Patchwerk is afflicted by Insect Swarm.
02:08'44.231 Durotard Starfire hits Patchwerk for 6997 Arcane.
which match up with the above dps time and engaged time.

The rest of it doesn't seem unreasonable. He always procced eclipse within a small period of time (5 casts of wrath at most, 3 casts on average). From looking at cast time on starfire and wrath, he has a very low latency (and there are no instances of damage being recorded twice for one spell or anything like that). His crit rate is slightly above expected for wrath and about right for Starfire.

As for calling it a 22 man kill - the majority of guilds use 5-6 healers while you're using 3+half there, which means there is little impact due to 'missing' players. A 2 minute 30 kill inflates treants/starfall/bloodlust compared to a longer fight.

In any case, I can't find anything wrong with the parse apart from the stated kill time / active presence (which have no impact on the DPS figure given). Overall damage is correct for Patchwerk. It's just a very well played parse with a bit of luck on eclipse, backed up by very good gear and a very little lag.

Jezz · 02/04/09, 7:13 AM

13,000,000 HP / 81354 Raid DPS = 150.9

So yeah, it is more like a 2'30" kill as opposed to 3'54" as has been mentioned.

♦ Tecton · 02/04/09, 7:25 AM

The reason that the parse looks so long is the log started with a rogue distracting Patchwerk, if I'm reading it correctly.

khel · 02/04/09, 7:40 AM

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2:42 Patchwerk kill - 5554 dps - February 1st.

Everything was pretty perfect except I never used a haste potion, and I accidentally procced eclipse from a critting Starfire during bloodlust, so I lost the proc and continued using Starfire. Typically I still switch to wrath during bloodlust to proc Eclipse.

Cube · 02/04/09, 11:20 AM

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Here's our last Patchwerk kill. I feel that I should be getting higher numbers than I am right now, but I'm unsure if it's because of my gear, lag, skill, or a combination of the above. I've been pushing 4.6k to 4.7k DPS the last couple of weeks now, and I'm getting a bit frustrated on how to improve.

I know that I screwed up a few things here:

1. 2 accidental Wrath Eclipse procs. I was trying the MF->IS->Wrath until eclipse->SF until timer is up rotation, and I accidentally let a couple of starfire crits go through after the timer was up. Previously, I've been using a Wrath->SF(eclipse)->wrath rotation.

2. No haste pot.

3. I am 1 point under Alliance hitcap. I just need to get a Rigid gem cut for my helm.

Earley · 02/04/09, 12:13 PM

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There is our Patchwork kill from last night. My Hit Rating is not quite there, I'm tweaking that, and I just realized I forgot to switch to my "Hit" set before we went in. I have yet to get spellthread and have a few cheapo gems in there until I can switch them out, etc.

I was able to get the trees and starfire going twice in the fight, barely. I'm using the normal rotation, IFF, IS, MF, W till proc, SF through cooldown, refresh MF. I refresh IFF also when it goes.

I am just wondering, am I in the right ballpark here?

I'm a bit new to the WWS method here, and man am I grateful to the Bloodshot guys for posting all the data from our previous weeks' raids. I can see that on Patchwerk my moonfire is missing 10% of the time, so that's no good. One conclusion I am definitely coming to is that every week my character gets better, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything glaring.

Lilija · 02/04/09, 3:25 PM

Originally Posted by dukes

In any case, I can't find anything wrong with the parse apart from the stated kill time / active presence (which have no impact on the DPS figure given). Overall damage is correct for Patchwerk. It's just a very well played parse with a bit of luck on eclipse, backed up by very good gear and a very little lag.

I must say that parse really made me wonder cause I have almost identical gear and yet I so far managed only to do 4990 dps.

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So far I tend to think that I can't go over 5k because I lack the trinket from Sartharion but when I saw that 6k obviously without the trinket I'm out of ideas. Could lag have so much influence on my dps? On the note, I do spam SF and wrath button for the spell queueing.

Jezz · 02/05/09, 2:29 AM

Originally Posted by Lilija

I must say that parse really made me wonder cause I have almost identical gear and yet I so far managed only to do 4990 dps.

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So far I tend to think that I can't go over 5k because I lack the trinket from Sartharion but when I saw that 6k obviously without the trinket I'm out of ideas. Could lag have so much influence on my dps? On the note, I do spam SF and wrath button for the spell queueing.

Probably a combination of the time of the fight (his kill was over 2 minutes quicker meaning a much higher % uptime for bloodlust), some eclipse luck and latency.

markos82 · 02/05/09, 7:55 AM

i was just wondering something i have about 400haste and 10.25%hit rating. And 2200spell power raid buff. What is best rotation for me. I was reading this tread and so far i seen that most are using this. Moonfire, IS, wrath to get eclipse on starfire and then spam Starfire. Will this be good for me also? Eclipse is up for 15sec ( not counting lag ) and hidden CD is also 15sec. During that Cd should i continue to spam SF and then as CD is gotting close to 0 cast wrath to get eclipse again?

Thanks...

Humbaba · 02/05/09, 8:55 AM

Originally Posted by markos82

i was just wondering something i have about 400haste and 10.25%hit rating. And 2200spell power raid buff. What is best rotation for me. I was reading this tread and so far i seen that most are using this. Moonfire, IS, wrath to get eclipse on starfire and then spam Starfire. Will this be good for me also? Eclipse is up for 15sec ( not counting lag ) and hidden CD is also 15sec. During that Cd should i continue to spam SF and then as CD is gotting close to 0 cast wrath to get eclipse again?

Thanks...

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Picu · 02/05/09, 9:35 AM

Originally Posted by bobby_franx

22 man naxx, 6k patchwerk parse:

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treants do tons of damage

Not that i go anywhere near what you pulled here in terms of DPS, i messed up one or two rotations aswell, and we didn't have an elemental shammy in our raid.

But what puzzles me is the fact that altho i am over the 10% hit cap, with SP in the raid, i still have misses, while you didn't. Do i put that on the fact that our kill took longer than yours and luck basicly?

Here's our WWS for Patchwerk.

Eilt · 02/05/09, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by Picu

Not that i go anywhere near what you pulled here in terms of DPS, i messed up one or two rotations aswell, and we didn't have an elemental shammy in our raid.

But what puzzles me is the fact that altho i am over the 10% hit cap, with SP in the raid, i still have misses, while you didn't. Do i put that on the fact that our kill took longer than yours and luck basicly?

Here's our WWS for Patchwerk.

1. The only reason you would miss is if your spriest is not keeping the Misery debuff up, not sure why they would not be attacking the mob but I noticed your first miss happened pretty early. It may be worth it to start of the fight by casting iFF just to make sure you don't miss. Hopefully the spriest will keep it up the rest of the fight. Although taking a closer look at the WWS, we see this:

22:31'55 The encounter started
22:32'05 Wrath Miss
22:32'35 Starfire Miss

So both of your misses were within 30 seconds, so iFF would have definitely prevented them, not sure why it is taking that long for the Misery debuff to come up, but that is why you have misses.

Edit: Took a look at your spriest:
22:31'57.016 Patchwerk is afflicted by Misery.

That changes things, no idea how you are getting misses with Misery up, someone else will have to help.

2. You are using SF to proc eclipse, have you tried switching to the rotation where you use wrath to proc eclipse? On most crits (especially under heroism/bloodlust) you will be incurring a GCD by trying to spam Wrath since it is already under a 1 second cast time.

Edit 2: I was wrong about iFF being worth it for you (as stated below) had the spriest NOT been putting up Misery for a time, it would have probably been better raid DPS (assuming 33 GCD through the raid apparently) but since he was putting it up this is not the case. I underlined this section above to note the error, but left it in for coherence of the post.

• Hamlet · 02/05/09, 10:21 AM

If you're getting misses while the Misery debuff is up, you were wearing the wrong gear.

Also, it's not worth it to spend a GCD in iFF just to avoid a 3% chance of a miss, unless you expect to spend 33 GCD's casting spells before it goes up.

Erdluf · 02/05/09, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

If you're getting misses while the Misery debuff is up, you were wearing the wrong gear.

In the fight Picu was using Idol of the Unseen Moon (Lunar Grace procs). That doesn't match his armory.

Picu, Is it possible you had PvP weapons/trinkets equipped (less hit)?