Moonkin Raiding - Page 33

bobby_franx · 02/05/09, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

If you're getting misses while the Misery debuff is up, you were wearing the wrong gear.

Also, it's not worth it to spend a GCD in iFF just to avoid a 3% chance of a miss, unless you expect to spend 33 GCD's casting spells before it goes up.

I keep iFF up the whole fight.

• Adoriele · 02/05/09, 3:58 PM

Originally Posted by bobby_franx

I keep iFF up the whole fight.

Even if there's a Shadow priest? Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Boytaur · 02/05/09, 4:31 PM

I thought I read somewhere (maybe Moonkin For Dummies Thread) that one moonkin should keep up FF for the armor debuff?

• Adoriele · 02/05/09, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by Boytaur

I thought I read somewhere (maybe Moonkin For Dummies Thread) that one moonkin should keep up FF for the armor debuff?

If there's no Feral, yes (or Recklessness, or... Wasp?).

• Hamlet · 02/05/09, 4:37 PM

Originally Posted by Boytaur

I thought I read somewhere (maybe Moonkin For Dummies Thread) that one moonkin should keep up FF for the armor debuff?

If there's no Feral keeping it up.

Celdhyrean · 02/05/09, 9:43 PM

Originally Posted by Eilt

It may be worth it to start of the fight by casting iFF just to make sure you don't miss.

I think it's dangerous to do that because the ferals will notice that "a more powerfull spell is active" and stop try to put it up if you start with yours, meaning that once you start putting it up you probably will have to to keep it up the whole fight.
I've been thinking about that because recently having some problems with my unit frames not showing all debuffs recently, which made me unsure wether FFF was there or not.

I'd say even if not seeing it up you should trust them to put it up since doing it yourself will negate the buff you expect from it (supposing there's an SP and a feral in the raid). And communicate with them to make sure they keep it up.

Eldessya · 02/05/09, 10:41 PM

ideally, you and the feral should discuss these things to prevent such issues. of course not all of us raid under ideal circumstances ( myself included).

bobby_franx · 02/06/09, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Adoriele

Even if there's a Shadow priest? Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

lol yeah tell me about it

Picu · 02/06/09, 3:41 AM

Originally Posted by Erdluf

In the fight Picu was using Idol of the Unseen Moon (Lunar Grace procs). That doesn't match his armory.

Picu, Is it possible you had PvP weapons/trinkets equipped (less hit)?

The Idol of the Unseen Moon is correct, i got the Idol of the Shooting Star from Razuvius the same run.

22:31'55.657 Picu gains Mark of the War Prisoner.
22:31'59.516 Picu gains Now is the time!.

Both trinkets were in place and i don't have any pvp weapon.

Kupeludo · 02/06/09, 9:45 AM

What is the understood effect of a higher ping on your dps? I play with about 300 to 400. How much of a hit will my dps take versus someone with say 50-100?

Edit: as a boomkin of course.

• Hamlet · 02/06/09, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kupeludo

What is the understood effect of a higher ping on your dps? I play with about 300 to 400. How much of a hit will my dps take versus someone with say 50-100?

Edit: as a boomkin of course.

Roughly speaking, it's a more significant hit than with most classes. Not only does clean spell queueing become harder with a very high ping, instants (which can't be queued) get hit for the full value of your ping, and Wrath chaincasting (which alternates randomly between queueing and GCD-timing) becomes yet more awkward, and it's easy to lose time.

Celdhyrean · 02/06/09, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by Eldessya

ideally, you and the feral should discuss these things to prevent such issues. of course not all of us raid under ideal circumstances ( myself included).

It wasn't really a communication problem but a debuff display problem on my side (they probably were doing it, i just couldn't verify wetehr it was up or not, which led me to think about it).

Dreavgona · 02/07/09, 4:40 AM

Read most of the posts, and still wondering if I can justify my rotation or not, so here is the question...
Curently using a heavy wrath rotation, only switching to starfire to extend my moonfire and proc eclipse.
First, because the retarded starfire idol just wont drop for me, so I am curently using the badge wrath idol.
Second, specced for sarth 3d, and I have a bunch of tards in my raid group that keep dying, so I have to battle rez wich totaly kills my mana, so end up raiding with Tons of mana talents that would normaly not be needed, and simply havent specced my third point into eclipse (3rd point in eclipse or NS?)

In other words, has my rotation been lowering my dps or not? Kinda hard to test, but figured it was okay.

Hoping to respec either this week or in 3 weeks after guild finishes all the 25 man achievements and just curious as to what you guys believe would be the best rotation when I finaly put my third point into eclipse.

So should I stick to my IFF, MF, IS, SFx3 +(SF until eclipse), Wrath during eclipse, IS, Wrath until MF refresh, SFX3
or should I use the more standard rotation of just using wrath to proc SF eclipse?

Also, just out of curiosity, how badly does 3-5 fps affect dps on a fight like patch? I know its awful and lowers dps, but anyone have any idea by how much? Averaging 4.5k dps on patch this month (3 min kills) and wondering if without the framerate issue I would be doing 4.8k or 5.5k.

Raid leader been getting on my case about my rotation and dps, so figured id ask.

(He got used to seing me as first pre-wotlk and not 5th... )

Jezz · 02/07/09, 5:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dreavgona

Read most of the posts, and still wondering if I can justify my rotation or not, so here is the question...
Curently using a heavy wrath rotation, only switching to starfire to extend my moonfire and proc eclipse.
First, because the retarded starfire idol just wont drop for me, so I am curently using the badge wrath idol.
Second, specced for sarth 3d, and I have a bunch of tards in my raid group that keep dying, so I have to battle rez wich totaly kills my mana, so end up raiding with Tons of mana talents that would normaly not be needed, and simply havent specced my third point into eclipse (3rd point in eclipse or NS?)

In other words, has my rotation been lowering my dps or not? Kinda hard to test, but figured it was okay.

Hoping to respec either this week or in 3 weeks after guild finishes all the 25 man achievements and just curious as to what you guys believe would be the best rotation when I finaly put my third point into eclipse.

So should I stick to my IFF, MF, IS, SFx3 +(SF until eclipse), Wrath during eclipse, IS, Wrath until MF refresh, SFX3
or should I use the more standard rotation of just using wrath to proc SF eclipse?

Also, just out of curiosity, how badly does 3-5 fps affect dps on a fight like patch? I know its awful and lowers dps, but anyone have any idea by how much? Averaging 4.5k dps on patch this month (3 min kills) and wondering if without the framerate issue I would be doing 4.8k or 5.5k.

Raid leader been getting on my case about my rotation and dps, so figured id ask.

(He got used to seing me as first pre-wotlk and not 5th... )

As mentioned in many posts the problem with a wrath based rotation is that with BL, haste from gear and haste from talents, wrath can easily end up being quicker than the global cooldown which is definitely a DPS loss.

• Adoriele · 02/07/09, 10:23 AM

Even using the Wrath Idol, a Starfire-heavy rotation is higher DPS. A wrath-heavy rotation is more mana-intensive than a starfire-heavy rotation. A starfire-heavy rotation is less affected by high ping or low framerate.