The optimizer might've changed, but in any event, I would wait for 2.2 or whatever the next release is and then try it. So far, I'm showing the Signet and the Band as the two best-in-slot.

I haven't looked at Rawr in a bit, but for WLK it's always valued crit suspiciously high. A good rule of thumb is to estimate that haste rating will generally be about 1.4 times stronger than crit rating. I doubt Lost Jewel would ever be better.

I've been raiding a bit with the glyphed typhoon and I've gotta say I like it quite a bit. It's only worth 1-6% of my dps during a boss fight but I think it's worthwhile.

Generally I use it when there are two or more targets to hit, but we still need strong single target damage, or while moving. So it's useful on Noth, Anub, Grobbulus to name a few. I'll probably stick with it.

Your warlock is a moron if he's applying CoE with a moonkin in the raid. They don't stack.

One thing I dont understand is if my Earth & Moon over rides a Warlock's Curse of the Elements. I wouldn't think the SP would stack but what about the Resistances can that still play a roll? How does this work?

-Resistance would still affect the target. This doesn't stop your warlocks from being morons, as -resistance pretty much doesn't have a purpose in the raiding game.

Considering that Rawr.Moonkin 2.1.9 still uses the original calculation system from way back in the beta 14 days, that makes some sense. The updated version that makes use of WrathCalcs has not been built into a release version yet, as it's only just been written and is still undergoing code reviews and use testing by experts.

We went through 25naxx tonight again, me wearing crit&sp rings (spellshock and lost jewel) and it seemed to work out a bit better, though it might have something to do with following the no-dots-while-eclipsed rule more closely. Also, one run isnt enough to base on.

5550 dps on patchwerk with me applying imp. ff because of a lack of spriest. No wws log tho, forgot to record.


On another note, i dont know if it was incredible rng or has OOC proc really been changed on the positive side. At least on 50% of hurricanes it procced, much more than usualy anyway. Anyone else noticed similar?

To substantiate these rules I made a spreadsheet comparing the values of our spells during the various stages of Eclipse. Basically, if the damage per cast time of a dot is high enough, it may be worth casting. Improved Insect Swarm greatly changes the value of dots in this regard.

Our basic cycle is to cast Wrath until Eclipse, then Starfire during Eclipse and afterward during the cooldown. My spreadsheet informs me that my average dps (not counting Earth and Moon since it affects all spells equally) is 4229 when taking an entire cycle. When trying to proc Eclipse, casting a dot postpones this entire cycle. It stands to reason that the damage per cast time of such a dot would have to be greater than this 4229 dps. Without Improved Insect Swarm, this is never true. With it, Wrath boosts Insect Swarm enough to be worth it, and with an average time of 5+ seconds to proc Eclipse, eclipsed Starfire makes Moonfire worth it as well.

During Eclipse, only Moonfire might be good enough because it adds roughly 3% to your remaining eclipsed Starfires. I came up with at least 9 seconds of Eclipse left, assuming you would otherwise have casted Moonfire directly after Eclipse.

After Eclipse ends, dots only have to be stronger than Starfire rather than the base cycle's average dps. Glyphed Insect Swarm is that strong even without boosting Wrath. Moonfire will only be worth it if you can cast three Starfires to extend it. These may be either during the cooldown or during the next Eclipse if you can fit that in. It is still an interesting question whether you should refresh your dots just before the cooldown ends, possibly even overwriting existing dots.

Thanks for the review, Erdluf. I had indeed swapped the Moonfire coefficients, and used 6-tick Insect Swarm rather than 7. I have updated the spreadsheet. Insect Swarm Multiplier is 1.4 for the glyph (30%) plus 2T7 (10%). I assumed they stack additively.

The IS benefit calculation seems to be wrong indeed, but dividing by 1.5 will not fix it either. The cast time of Wrath (and Starfire) is a bit more complex because of the interaction with Nature's Grace. I should have made separate cells to calculate their cast time. Not going to bother now, though, because with your corrected Insect Swarm coefficient it is stronger even without boosting Wrath.