I like Starfall for several reasons - Any encounter with aoe (also stuns!), faster trinket procs, Nature's Grace etc.
Atleast keeping it until someone does a proper testing of Imp. Faerie Fire.

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Tyrenia: Moonfire, Starfire & Insect Swarm.

Edit: Found better numbers so deleted to avoid confusion.

I agree, Nature's Reach is a manditory talent for any Raid Spec. Genisis is only needed if you plan to go resto.

Does anyone have a spreadsheet for dps increase from crit/haste/dmg I don't know what's better crit or haste atm

Yesterday I managed to get my last two tier7 pieces, so I am at full tier7 now (10-man). With the added 5% crit to wrath and SF I should be at around 34% crit for base with theese two spells, giving me 64% during eclipse.

So I am thinking of switching to a W/SF/SF rotation with MF only. Any thoughts on this.

I have been going back and forth a lot between W/SF/SF and SF/W/SF. My biggest problem before was not beeing able to proc eclipse at a regular time with Wrath and beeing "RNG/unlucky" during SF eclipse. But with the added 5% I should be getting more consistant results with W/SF/SF

Anyone else done some testing on this?

I read through this thread and see a few WWS parts with extremely good WWS parses, and then I look at their gear and it seems very similar to mine, and I look at the casting frequencies and again seem pretty similar to mine, then I look at the DPS and they are way higher than mine.

At this point I am not sure what I am doing wrong, but I must be messing something up.

Full night WWS on Malygos first night of attempts/kill and Sartharion kill with one drake up:
WWS Parse

This is my current spec:
Wowhead – Talent Calculator

Here is a link to my armory:
Armory

I am not actually raiding with IotRG as it is only .5% crit, I am using the old Starfire idol until the new spellpower one drops. Should I consider using the Badge moonfire one? I am also going to over hit a little since the spriest and I do not always attack the same target as shown with my average 3% “Mitigated” on the night, I figure adding to 11 or 12% on my char sheet will get me to 15-16% hit before the misery debuff, and if the misery debuff is missed I am only getting partial resists.

I am considering dropping 3/3 CF and picking up the last point in gale winds (helpful for trash not really on single target boss fights) and picking up 2 points in brambles for 10% extra treant dmg.

Spec here:
Wowhead – Talent Calculator

On the night above (not suing treants every CD they were around ~280k dmg, so those 2 talent points would get me 28k dmg, would this outweigh putting 2 points in CF for 2% haste? Would either of these increase my single target DPS on boss fights?

On rotation:
I have been using MF, SFx3, Wrath through Eclipse (or until an eclipse if one of my first 3 SFs did not crit), SF till eclipse iCD is up then Wrath till SF Eclipse procs rotation.

I throw up IS/Starfall if I have to move around so I have IS glyphed (along with MF and SF) and have been saving treants for a hero, but will start using them every 2min.

I am going to try the MF, Wrath till eclipse, SF rotation as I am finally getting enough crit where I feel it would proc enough.

Looking for any comments on the above questions as well as advice, thanks!

You should be comparing your DPS on Patchwerk, not Sartharion/Malygos. There is too much happening in those fights to be able to compare DPS directly really.

Having said that, looking at Sartharion (bit less of a weird fight for DPS than Malygos):
If you find that you have lower DPS than other players on those encounters it is likely to be because you need to maximise your DPS time. Use instants while moving, and move as little as is humanly possible. If you have to move and have a choice, wait until a good time for your instants. If you don't have a choice, wait for ticks of instants before refreshing to avoid 4-5 seconds between ticks. Your uptime on IS during the Sarth kill is awful - 28 ticks of a potential 'perfect' ~190 (on a single target). With the Glyph you should be looking for 100% uptime really due to the increased damage. For comparison on a very similar length Sartharion, I had 73 ticks, and that's just using it while moving as an extra instant due to not having the glyph.

IotRG is 0.5% crit to all your spellcasters, including healers. It's worth it until you get the Naxx starfire idol imo, and then in 25 mans its probably still more worth using IotRG.

CF > Brambles if you ask me. Treants are too easily killed on a lot of fights to bother improving them, and thorns DPS is pretty low for most fights unless you're looking at a prot paladin.

On hit you should be going with either 10% hit (+4% talents, +3% misery/iff) or 13% hit (+4% talents). You can either rely on 3% hit being up or not. If you can't rely on it being up, you should almost certainly pick up IFF, as it'll help you and all your DPS casters a lot. I'd suggest the 2 points (from cf/brambles/whatever) + a point from eclipse.


As an aside, I'm not quite sure why you're doing 25 mans without any upgrades from Heroics/Craftables/Quest items though. You're using fully level 70 gear other than 25 man Naxx upgrades? I assume you just hit 80, otherwise that's just slack :P

What meta gems are you all using? Chaotic Skyflare Diamond looks to be probably the best choice for overall DPS, but Ember Skyflare Diamond is also appealing because it doesn't require any pesky blue sockets. Unfortunately, nobody on my server seems to have that pattern yet.

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treants are amazing single target dps. on this parse i figured we would kill it right at 3 minutes so i only cast them once (we had a dps disconnect so it was slightly longer than 3 minutes). the spec i used was Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft so it was more focused on single target. mana regen talents are more or less useless for me at this stage of raiding but i would feel uncomfortable speccing out of intensity and omen (especially omen due to hurricane). oh and i made sure shamans popped hero the instant they came out so yea..

The dps increase from using Chaotic over Ember makes socketing 2 purple or green gems worthwhile. In an ideal world, I would use Purified Twilight Opals (Power, Spirit), but they're not yet implemented. Probably the next best bet is Intricate Forest Emerald (8 Haste, 8 Spirit) or Shining Forest Emerald (8 Hit, 8 Spirit) if you need the +hit. Those two blue spots wouldn't be a horrible place to pick up +hit if you're hurting for it.

I have been wondering that also, I just tend to go about my regular rotation using wrath to proc eclipse, but if it does not happen within five or six casts then I go to starfire and ignore the eclipse proc. (I do not have any numbers to back this up. It is just what I have been doing)