Zinc, try:

IS > MF > Wrath till eclipse procs > SF till iCD is up > IS > Wrath till eclips procs...

Refresh MF whenever it falls of unless you only have time for one more SF cast and triggering the GCD will make you miss out on the eclips both. (Usually if MF falls off with 4 seconds or less I do not recast it till after the Eclipse).

with

IS > MF > Wrath till eclipse procs > SF till iCD is up > IS > Wrath till eclips procs...

Starfire idol
1. 3 Eclipse procs 2632 dps OOM in 2:29
2. 3 Eclipse procs 2321 dps OOM in 2:05
3. 2 Eclipse procs 2228 dps OOM in 2:29

Wrath idol
1. 4 Eclipse procs 2770 dps OOM in 2:35
2. 3 Eclipse procs 2331 dps OOM in 2:18
3. 4.5 Eclipse procs 2797 dps OOM in 2:58


most dmg done on all 6 tests was Starfire

Am I going crazy or did starfall lose almost all of it's bonus from spellpower last night? I went from stars hitting for about 1k to 540-580. Still rank 4 on my bar so not downranked or anything

When getting geared enough to drop intensity, is it better to get owlkin or brambles? Obviously brambles will be better for certain fights where there is little AoE damage and owlkin will be nice for the fights where brambles is bad. Overall what are your opinions on brambles vs. owlkin in the current wotlk raids?

Owlkin may be slightly better.

Off the top of my head:
Say Treants are 5-7% of your damage, then Brambles will give you about 1% for the 3 points.
To get 1% from Owlkin Frenzy, you need a proc every 100 seconds or so.

So you need to be hit (to an order of magnitude) once every 15 seconds, on average, to make OF better.

It depend on what you're doing. For PW parses, OF is useless, so take your 7k damage or whatever from Brambles. But the only meaningful DPS check in Naxx is Thaddius, and OF is good there (whereas Treants are entirely useless). If you're working on Malygos, OF will be better, as there a lot of RST abilities in both P1 and P2. And if you're working on Sarth+drakes, there's enough random damage to make OF good again, whereas I imagine Treants will just die stupidly to the lava wave or a Void Zone.

So basic result seems to be that OF tends to be better when you're doing anything remotely interesting.

e: unless OF stacks additively with Pos/Neg Charge, in which case both talents suck at Thaddius.


e2: it should be noted that the following things do more DPS than either Brambles or OF in almost any situation:
--Celestial Focus
--Imp. Insect Swarm, even in a non-IS build
--Imp. Faerie Fire, if it works off of your resident Feral's FF (undetermined, but the tooltip seems to indicate that it would).

Starfall is going to be more than 1% DPS against single targets anyway.

Hey, I got a small question about gear, hope it's an OK place to ask.
I'm about to start naxx 10 (I know if you look at the armory I'm well undergeared, but my guild is somewhat forgiving that way, and I'm working on Heroics). Question is about trinkets. Currently I have [Hex Shrunken Head] and [Mercurial Alchemist Stone], and if I equip [Rune of Infinite Power] it'll take me over the hitcap of 14% (again, armory not updated yet, I got some hit gear last night not yet equipped).
Question is, is it worth it to equip the new trinket over one of the other ones? If so, which one? Or should I wait to cap my hit on other gear slots?

the hitcap is 17%
you get 1% from shaman
3% from IFF / misery
4% from tallents
that leaves you with a hitcap of 9%

it realy depends what your raidcomp looks like, and how much "wasted" hitrating you get.

So I was looking over Rokaz's >5k patchwerk and was intrigued by the fact that his IS is averaging 6384 damage per cast if he is using nature's splendor and his MF is averaging 10844 damage per cast assuming nature's splendor and 3 starfires with the starfire glyph. His wraths are averaging 4882 per cast and his starfires are averaging 10086 per cast. This makes me wonder if using IS at all is even worth casting other than when you have to move because of missing out on the chance to proc NG or eclipse or cutting into eclipse time. MF is obviously ok as long as you're not clipping eclipse and not worrying about it falling off if eclipse is on CD since it can proc NG.

@Mcanus - I'm aiming to be as self-reliant as possible, as in a 10 man setting, I can not know for sure my exact group composition. We have a shadow priest, but not sure he's coming, we have a few Draenei (I believe you meant Draenei with with 1% hit u put down as shamans) but no enough mains to rely on that in a 10 man, I'm not specced IFF, and as for Shaman totems, again, not sure I will have a shaman, or the right kind of a shaman. I figured aiming for 14% should keep me on the safe side, as I'm almost certain to get at least 3% from other buffs/debuffs.
If you think it's better to aim at 17%, I can do that as well I guess, but 9% certainly sounds too low to me, as I really don't know what raid comp I'll have, at least for the next few weeks before we start the 25-mans.

Were you casting SF until Eclipse ends or until Eclipse cooldown ends?

SF until the end of eclipse, but when there was a new Moonfire on and Eclipse on cooldown, I would SFx3 before Eclipse was back up again. That's another thing that I don't feel confident about.

Hi MaAnus,

can you please explain me how do i get 1% Hit from a shaman?


thank you.

He means 1% from a Draenei. As all Shamans must be Draenei, this equates to effectively the same thing, although all Draenei give the aura (see: Heroic Presence).

For Horde you should be planning on 10% hit rather than the 9% that alliance can get away with when a Draenei is around.

yep. sorry for the confusion.

if you dont know your raid setup. i would recomend to have a few extra items with hit, you could swarp on. Maby have a trinket 2 rings and a neck with loads of hit on them, so you could switch the easy gear, without thinking of gems and meta requirements.


im having the same exact feeling. duno if it was just my luck, but i was doing terible dps last night.
it was like the crits were high enough as they used to, but the hits got way lower.
i did put in the increased crit hit dmg meta gem in my headitem, instead of the spelldmg/runspeed, a few days ago.
But i think it was just me who got powned on the dmg meters.

[Flask of the Frost Wyrm] is going to be better than any elixir combo at the moment, though if you'd prefer elixirs for whatever reason, your guesses are correct. Food buff, you'd want to use spellpower unless your haste is really low, which I sort of doubt it would be unless you are avoiding it for some reason.

If you're not hitcapped and willing to use Spices, I imagine hit food (Snapper) would be the best.

40 hit's a huge chunk to be missing, though, you're likely going to be wasting a bit of that food where you can't waste any of our other stats. Granted, all hit comes in huge chunks now (HI2U [Dying Curse]), but I'd rather hit-cap from gear and use food to augment something else.

Well.. Whats with the haste problem with wrath?

If i get a Wrath-Eclipse and spam wrath for 15s + have a bit critluck i often have NG activated...
With NG my Wrath ct is @ 0,75 or something with a 1s GCD

Isnt that a dps-loss compared with starfire eclipse with nearly constant 2,0s SFs?

Cause of that i dont see the point of twisting SF/Wrath until Eclipse procc - I´m doing more dmg with Wrath until eclipse :o

Another Point is the manainefficiency of wrath to make the SF-eclipse way better, isnt it?

Maybe i have a mistake in my thoughts, dunno :/

The idea behind twisting to proc Eclipse (Whee, a term that's better than swap!) is that you'll automagically be casting the correct spell when you proc it, without having to account for reaction time. This means that you don't waste time casting the wrong spell during Eclipse which could be a potentially large DPS boost. The trade-off is that you don't have true control over which Eclipse you get, so if one gives you more benefit than the other, you potentially lose out some part of the time. As with everything, it's something you'll need to figure out.

And no, Starfire-Eclipse is not always the best choice. It usually is, but not always.

I ran several instances last night, and this was happening through the whole night for me. It didn't seem consistent, though, so when numbers were popping up at around 600 I thought maybe it was a dot tick or something. However, seeing it a few too many times to dismiss, I picked through my combat log and found some interesting things. Not only was Starfall hitting for much less than it should, but Starfires were hitting for about 500. There was no resist message, either, it was just flat out hitting for 500 (give or take). This happened in all of the instances, so I can't think of any common thread between the mobs, and I hadn't seen any complaints about it until the one above.

My druid's armory is here, she just dinged 80 a few days ago so the gear isn't all that grand. I wasn't using anything out of the ordinary - just regular buffs of AI, Fort, Mark, and Commanding Shout now and again.

Incidentally, this also got me pretty much on everyone's "scrubs to ignore" list when I decided to pug Sartharion. At first I thought my DPS was abysmal (even considering my gear and a few bad choices on talents) and was about to just /wrist my way back to Resto, but then I caught this. Is this hitting anyone else at all?