Balance Glyphs.

The ICD would make the bonus rather comically weak. That's got to be some old tooltip info or something.

As far as I've been told you can only have one glyph effecting a spell at a time, meaning you can't have 2 glyphs effecting starfall at once.

Can someone with access to PTR check for itemization changes on our T8/T8,5?
I hear that Elemental set is receiveing big changes, and the Paladin set is also changed somewhat.

Hope some of that Spirit is swapped out for some crit

To be completely honest, they are using the spiritfest on our items to limit caster dps. What other reason can it be? Its not like blizzard doesn't know how shit spirit is for casters. They are using that (same as for warrior itemization) to limit mudflation. (which doesn't really explain why they boosted arpen and haste for melee's but...)

Only thing that pisses me off is
a) its not spread equally around, not all classes get stuck with a steamer on each of their items.
b) its so very shitty that it just feels like dead weight. Even INT is more attractive.

I look at my characters +200spirit from items and think: Would I rather have 200 haste rating? Would I rather have 100 haste rating then 200 spirit? Yes, yes I would.

That said, esp for moonkins who do more then fair damage as is, im not concerned, just annoyed because it feels like dead weight. My damage won't be bad enough to lose me a raidspot, and our time will come again.
When icecrown is opened and all our items have are spelldmg&haste&crit. None of those shit stats that noone needs! \o/

The problem is the exceptions. Blizzard can decide all caster leather and cloth gear has spirit and balance around that. That would be easy. The problem is that you still have those rare pieces without spirit which are much better. So now what do you balance on?

When WotLK started Blizzard decided there is no more feral gear - they stopped making the "optimal" pieces for feral druids and balanced around druids using the rogue itemization. This is why even the tier gear, which doesn't have to be shared, looks the way it does (AP instead of STR, etc). There was much QQ at the time, but people got used to it and now no one even thinks about it anymore.

that's one of the main reasons why a good number of our current BiS are cloths. until blizz proves to us that spirit is a worthwhile stat (i doubt it, unless we absolutely need the regen) this trend will not change.

Just a quick question that i dont think has been mentioned.Due to the imp scorch nerf and us losing the t7 4 set bonus, will crit be more valuable to us? 10% is a big loss and will effect eclipses.

I'm currently running moonkin form but am struggling to get above 1.6k dps on a rotation of f.fire, insect swarm, moonfire, wrath till eclipse proc then starfire. Where am i going wrong? I'm running this spec

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and gemmed up with hit gems so my hit rating is 276 and my crit is 22.1% buffed with gift of the wild

Your spec is bad for one thing - it should have 3/3 earth and moon, 5/5 vengeance, and intensity instead of dreamstate if you're having any mana issues. You shouldn't have any points in Genesis.

Do some testing with pure Wrath spam and pure Starfire spam (sustained tests of emptying your full mana pool at a time) on target dummies and see what kind of DPS numbers you're getting. You should be able to get between 2 and 3k DPS on a target dummy with pure spam of either (depending on your gear). If you can't get a decent amount just from pure spam then you're either suffering huge lag or you just aren't casting enough.

There's not much else we can do without a WWS report of Patchwerk (for simplicities sake - doing it on other bosses brings in more complications than it's worth really).

That's the correct order for the power of the mana regeneration talents, but not really for the order you should spec in them.

Omen is a given in any build in my opinion. From there, moonglow is the next best option because improved moonfire is only worth about half a percent of your damage per talent point.

Basically giving up improved moonfire for moonglow is a better tradeoff than giving up improved insect swarm or celestial focus or whatever for intensity.