I always thought proc's had an enforced CD of 45 sec, are we sure wowhead's value is correct?

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I'm thinking for those sticking with lunar eclipse, the 4pc is weakened even more because if you were to cast an instant starfire while you are casting wrath (aka when eclipse is not on internal cd) then you could actually proc solar eclipse instead, giving you the opposite anticipated eclipse. So unless it procs during eclipse or eclipse internal cd, it seems the lunar eclipse crowd would have to ignore the proc altogether.

I think if anything moonkins will become more like warlocks and spriests in 7.5, whom did not go for 4pc set bonuses but opted for 226 lvl offset pieces. I have not been religiously watching the updated loot tables from Ulduar other than to note the extra emphasis on high int/spi items, but I imagine that accumatively the additional spellpower given by Ulduar lvl items will certainly eventually overpower 5% crit from 4pc 7.5

I doubt we'll stay in 4t7, 2t8 is still pretty good, I think I real it's roughly the same if not slightly higher than 4t7 so we either go 2t7, 2t8 or 4t8.

Why would you rush to use it? You have to factor in the ICD from the proc itself as well, which, for my sake, call it 45sec. So you have more than enough time to start a Lunar Eclipse before using that instant SF. Even so, you still have 10 sec in which to use the SF cast, so 10 sec after it procs to proc Lunar Eclipse, and if it procs while under Eclipse CD with a few seconds until teh Eclipse is off CD, your still safe.

I think it's generally agreed that it's worth breaking 4pc T7 to get 2pc T8. You could run with 2pc T7 and 2pc T8 to keep the insect swarm bonus, but you'll likely do higher damage just using 2pc t8 and then all offset pieces.

Think the proc rate is 5%, but I highly doubt a 3 minute CD is right. I would see a 45sec ICD to be more standard, like every other proc from trinkets, etc.

Managed to say Hello to Yogg at least once so far last night, and I decided to kick the points out of Gale Winds now, as I hardly ever used Hurricane so far.

But on some fights I did help out on the healing end, specially XT-002 where there is quite some AE needed.

So far I did sustain pretty good with mana, even with the countless Rebirth I did.

For the General Vezax fight, I wonder, would it make sense to take 3/3 Moonglow? Or does the manacost reduction of the Shadow Crash Debuff calculate from base costs, so it would not make sense at all?

Otherwise, in many fights I was not really happy with my DPS, as you have to move quite a lot, and Eclipse seems to virtually procc any time I have to move

For General, I went with a 58/0/13 spec, dropping Intensity for Moonglow. I never had problems with that fight though, with good timing you can minimize Vapors needed, I ended up ending the fight with 6k mana and top of damage, with around 6.4k dps I believe.

So everyone is pretty much considering two piece t8 and then offset, but which two pieces of t8 (t8.5 technically) should you use?

Looking at T7 vs T8 we see the following gains for each set when compared(not including socket color differences/bonuses):
Helm:
T7.5 +61 Crit

T8.5 +14 Int
T8.5 +10 Sta
T8.5 +59 Spi
T8.5 +10 Armor
T8.5 +18 Hit
T8.5 +16 Spell Power

Shoulders:
T7.5 +55 Haste
T7.5 +35 Hit

T8.5 +7 Int
T8.5 +8 Sta
T8.5 +49 Spi
T8.5 +9 Armor
T8.5 +56 Crit
T8.5 +12 Spell Power

Chest:
T7.5 +61 Crit

T8.5 +16 Int
T8.5 +10 Sta
T8.5 +60 Spi
T8.5 +13 Armor
T8.5 +14 Haste
T8.5 +16 Spell Power


Gloves:
T7.5 +53 Crit

T8.5 +7 Int
T8.5 +6 Sta
T8.5 +13 Spi
T8.5 +7 Armor
T8.5 +57 Hit
T8.5 +12 Spell Power


Legs:
T7.5 +59 Spi

T8.5 +9 Int
T8.5 +10 Sta
T8.5 +11 Armor
T8.5 +18 Crit
T8.5 +59 Hit
T8.5 +16 Spell Power

From this is looks like the legs are an easy choice, you gain in everything (even crit) and lose 59 spirit which is roughly ~9 Spellpower (ignoring regen for now). Now the second piece is going to be tough, the largest stat piece looks to be the chest, however we give up a large amount of crit for that. The t7 shoulders mean we give up a large chunk of hit and haste, but we do gain crit so if you are not in need of hit they seem a good option. However if we are interested in hit, the t8.5 gloves look nice, and come at a cost of 53 crit (~1.15%).

So for hit, legs and gloves, else legs and chest/shoulder?

Thoughts?

Why are you not considering T8 vs non-set Ulduar items? While I am finding a few places where Sarth25+2 and KT loot are still BiS (based on the current knowledge of the loot tables), it's not in any of the set piece slots.

After playing around with Rawr for a while over lunch I'm getting t8 shoulders and legs as the only two set pieces worth using with Collar of the Wyrmhunter, Robes of the Umbral Brute and Handwraps of the Vigilant as all superior to the t8 pieces in those slots.

You can't just compare the tier 8 pieces to their tier 7 equivalents. You have to take into account the opportunity cost, i.e. what offset pieces you can use as well. For example, [Collar of the Wyrmhunter] is freaking awesome, which means you probably don't want to use the tier 8 helm. This analysis is also complicated by the fact that we don't know the full loot tables yet, nor how difficult all of the hard modes are. Right now I'd probably go with the tier 8 chest, since [Robes of the Umbral Brute] is the best off-set piece I can find (which isn't a huge upgrade), but I would expect an ivl 239 chest to show up at some point.

I am 5/5 t7.5, so I compared what I had to what I will be upgrading too, sure the list could find every single possible item, but that is not really feasible. I know I will need 2 pieces of t8.5 and I know I will be upgrading FROM t7.5 to that slot. So it seemed most beneficial to look at what I had, to what I would get. It is hard to find every non-set piece since we do not even know all of the loot yet. I am just working with what I can know. May the decision change once we see more items? Yes. But I also need to know what pieces I want right now, since I will be getting these pieces soon. I figure many will be in the same position and will find this solution acceptable, at least for the time being until we know more about our options.