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04/27/09, 4:22 PM
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#1051
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by thedopefishlives
Rawr has, from the beginning, assumed a 5% proc rate and no internal cooldown. The valuation of the set bonus under these conditions is ~80 DPS in full BiS T8-25 gear, depending on the selected options. In particular, Rawr seems to be very optimistic on Solar Eclipse as gear level increases.
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Well in particular i notice that the eclipse rotations have the same relationship as haste and crit. As crit goes up and haste goes down solar increases, and as haste goes up and crit goes down lunar increases. So after certain ratios of those one becomes better than the other.
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04/27/09, 4:34 PM
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#1052
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Adoriele
Napkin, but assuming the 5% proc rate is correct you'd average one proc every 20 ticks, or 40s, assuming 100% uptime, which is unlikely. Call it 80% uptime, which is more likely, and you get 1 every 50s. It's worth half of a Starfire when it procs, and Starfire average including Crit rate is, say, 8.5k, 10k during Eclipse. That makes the bonus worth ~100 DPS if you manage to proc it during eclipse every time, 85 DPS on the low end. For comparison, 4T7 is worth ~150 DPS, 2T8 about 165.
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So then 4T8: 165 + 85 = 250 DPS
while 4T7: 150 DPS
Is this 100 DPS increase in 4T8 worth more than the two peices of gear you would replace the two tier pieces with?
And is the 5% proc rate likely considering that people are reporting continuous procs?
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04/27/09, 6:32 PM
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#1053
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Von Kaiser
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So if as the above calcs are correct and 4t8=250dps, and 4t7=150. You can conclude that 4t8 is better. However, is it then beter than 2t7+2t8?
Also I was just watching some vids of vodka and mimiron. Boomkin in that video was proccing wratch eclipses. Which is fine, but I curious as the amount of haste that would be ideal for it. As of now, if I'm critting, wraths are still under 1 sec, so I'm clipping, and it makes no sense to use.
Is there an ideal amount and then stacking a crazy amount of crit that'll make this work better? With this question, I'm also assuming Crying Wind idol for IS, and IIS as well.
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04/27/09, 6:55 PM
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#1054
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Glass Joe
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~400 haste puts you at a 1s wrath during NG. I'm at 440 and my wraths are a bit below 1s still (.98 or something close to that).
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04/28/09, 7:10 AM
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#1055
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Ravencrest (EU)
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Has anyone got a fix for squawk&awe? I'm having problems with bars covering the eclipse bar since 3.1.1 and I've seen no update from Adoriele yet.
I'm also interested in alternatives to the mod as I feel my dps suffering a lot.
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04/28/09, 8:42 AM
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#1057
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Bald Bull
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04/28/09, 10:00 AM
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#1058
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Glass Joe
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max dps shows that +19 spell power gem is not as much dps as +16 haste, is this correct?
im new to moonkin, and im trying to get the exacts down, and im currently using wrath to proc eclipse,
if moonfire happens to expire before i start spamming starfire, should i refresh it before i start spamming starfire (in the eclipse) sense it refreshes it? or is it not worth the GCD during eclipse?
and does the IFF give me the 3% crit bonus using a feral druids FF?
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04/28/09, 10:02 AM
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#1059
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Bald Bull
Dukes
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Rosoo
This is the best in slot list that I threw together last night. If someone could critique me and point out anything blatantly stupid that I may have missed, it'd be greatly appreciated.
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I think you can do better through use of the [Pennant Cloak] with [Sash of Ancient Power]. Ends up with +51 haste, -9 crit, -21 spell power over the set you're proposing, so it's pretty close really.
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04/28/09, 10:35 AM
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#1060
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<Druid Trainer>
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Originally Posted by h3llraiser
max dps shows that +19 spell power gem is not as much dps as +16 haste, is this correct?
im new to moonkin, and im trying to get the exacts down, and im currently using wrath to proc eclipse,
if moonfire happens to expire before i start spamming starfire, should i refresh it before i start spamming starfire (in the eclipse) sense it refreshes it? or is it not worth the GCD during eclipse?
and does the IFF give me the 3% crit bonus using a feral druids FF?
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+19 SP is certainly better.
We never got totally solid results on DoT refreshing. I used to refresh MF at the beginning of an Eclipse (at least when I used Glyph of Starfire pre-3.1).
Yes.
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04/28/09, 12:17 PM
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#1062
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Glass Joe
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Movement
Don't forget that when on almost every fight your 2 piece T8 bonus will never have 100% uptime except on patchwerk. Think about how many times you've procced eclipse and then got picked up by Kologarn, thrown in the slag pot, had to go run AoE instead, had to move out of AoE, had to move out of something, etc. etc. Not == 100% uptime, whereas you always get the 4pc T7 bonus. In theory it might be a 15 - 17 DPS increase but in practice it is most likely inferior to 4 piece t7 bonus. Also, if you are upgrading to 4 pc t8.5 your stats are definitely going to suffer due to terrible stat itemization.
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04/28/09, 12:23 PM
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#1063
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by blksoulalchemst
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I use something very similar to that build. depending on ur tanks tho you don't need any agro talents. Yes, the extra range is nice but not necessary. i would take at least 1 point out and put it in improved moonfire bc especially if u use a solar eclipse you will crit more and uping your dps over all(not alot) but it will increase. i don't think you need all 3 points in moonglow as well. i run 25 man ulduar and we are on general and i haven't had any mana issues. Only fight is XT because i use typhoon/hurricane on the adds. other things are really just out of preference i could see taking brambles especially to put on trash (ie mimiron) to help slow and not do as much damage. owlkin frenzy is a pretty useful talent * i tank the head on mimiron so its nice bc when it does proc i can spam without getting interrupted. Just my 2 cents and u can do as you need but if your pulling off your tanks either they are bad or your not giving them 5 secs.
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04/28/09, 12:27 PM
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#1064
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by reverancee
I use something very similar to that build. depending on ur tanks tho you don't need any agro talents. Yes, the extra range is nice but not necessary. i would take at least 1 point out and put it in improved moonfire bc especially if u use a solar eclipse you will crit more and uping your dps over all(not alot) but it will increase. i don't think you need all 3 points in moonglow as well. i run 25 man ulduar and we are on general and i haven't had any mana issues. Only fight is XT because i use typhoon/hurricane on the adds. other things are really just out of preference i could see taking brambles especially to put on trash (ie mimiron) to help slow and not do as much damage. owlkin frenzy is a pretty useful talent * i tank the head on mimiron so its nice bc when it does proc i can spam without getting interrupted. Just my 2 cents and u can do as you need but if your pulling off your tanks either they are bad or your not giving them 5 secs.
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Thanks! I had the points in for the range not the aggro, my guilds tanks don't have any issues with it at all. And i was considering brambles, but wasn't sure if it was worth it, but I can see that it is, thanks! Thanks for your input 
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04/28/09, 12:44 PM
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#1065
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Magtheridon
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Originally Posted by reverancee
i run 25 man ulduar and we are on general and i haven't had any mana issues. Only fight is XT because i use typhoon/hurricane on the adds.
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i wonder what im doing wrong. im assuming im going into ulduar with the same gear as most everyone else: 4p T7.5 + legs of the wanton spellcaster etc. im having to worry much more about mana then i used to. i have 3/3 intensity and even took 3/3 moonglow over 1/3 + 2/2 imp moonfire. lots of bosses require lots of hurricanes: XT corner adds, Razorscale adds, Freya adds, etc and some other bosses that are just longer fights i have some issues aswell. im almost always innervating myself which only gives like 5k mana these days, and often find myself popping runic manas intead of wild magics or speeds.
any thoughts?
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