You AoE too much. Going through all fights:

FL: No mana problems, even if you are one of the guys getting shot up

Razorscale: Don't aoe 3 adds, it's usually not increasing your dps and worse for threat than finding the add thats getting main tanked. It should hardly be more than 5-6 hurricanes when adds are conveniently bunched up. Volunteer for shooting the harpoons if you think you won't be able to keep enough mana for p2.

Ignis: 4min zerg seems easier than doing it the normal way after all the nurfs, no mana problems at all then.

XT: I agree on this one, hurricane is not a great aoe spell for this as you can't move it with the groups. Don't recast too often and focus on shooting down the single bots that are ahead or behind the big group.

Assembly: 8-9min Normal mode has lots of running, no mana problems at all. Medium has aoe at the end, make sure you innervate early so you can do it a 2nd time for aoe in the end. Hard mode will be faster and require max dps, not sure where Boomkins will end up here, but if push comes to shove you could go easier in p2 to go into p3 with enough mana.

Kolorgarn: 3 AoE's max, do one or two on the rubbles, let the others finish off the last 10%. Running or being grabbed can work in your favour mana wise.

Cat lady: Make sure you know who the swarm is targeting (grid and enable the debuff, raidwarnings or whatever) and aim at the person not the mobs, this prevents having to recast hurricanes. Overall with fears and repositioning afterwards and for voids not a fight with big mana issues.

Hodir: The closer you get to doing the hard mode, the less of a problem mana will be (mana is a great concept).

Thorim: Hardly a fight where you shoot 24/7, never had mana problems there.

Freya: 2 AoE's total. Don't aoe 3 mobs of which you should dps 2 only anyway. The small mobs are usually so fast down that i have to interrupt the first hurricane to not kill them too early.

Mimiron: 0 Mana problems with 30sec transitions.

General: ...

YS: With enough dps theres plenty of downtime to regen mana. Hard mode might become nastier for mana as you cut it closer timing wise.


If push comes to shove you can also exchange trinkets or items for mana regen. Ask to get into the mana tide groups. Also upgrading your gear should usually give you a mana upgrade as you gain more int for the crit and replenish mana regens. I run with 1 in moonglow and 2 in intensity and find myself usually fine with my mana pool (using my own innervate).
Speaking more generally, go for exactly the amount of mana you need and focus on the fights your guild wipes most or wants to progress on, the other fights you will be able to manage raidwise even if you go lower in dps. Hopefully your guild can understand why you don't teleport to moonglade after every fight. Obviously after you got exactly enough mana it becomes the worst stat except maybe to open up the possibility to innervate someone else.

It seems they settled for just disabling mana issues for dps classes or giving them a small infight dps decrease like Evocation, Dispersion or Viper Aspect. I hope they can fix this for moonkins without completely screwing the tree's out there, but it feels like i'm playing a dps only class from 2 years ago while they drive their new sports cars on nitro.

Here's the lowdown from what I've gathered playing with Rawr.

1) 4T8 is just not worth it. The ilevel 239 caster gear is just better itemized than the tier pieces, and the bonus as it stands is not strong enough to make up the difference.

2) Solar Eclipse becomes stronger when you accumulate a lot of crit and are at relatively low haste values. Higher haste and lower crit makes Lunar Eclipse stronger. From the gear available so far in Ulduar, it appears that Solar Eclipse is preferred - it seems the higher-level, better-itemized pieces are higher in crit and lower in haste.

3) Haste is still a decent stat above 400 haste rating, even if running a Solar Eclipse rotation. It will be partially wasted, of course, because of GCD clipping on Wrath, but it will still be of some benefit as long as you are casting at least one Starfire. For a Lunar Eclipse rotation, haste > crit unless you have absurd amounts of the former and none of the latter.

Are you taking account of fights where you can have multiple IS running, or fights which require lots of movement? The sim may show in a pure stand-and-nuke fight that the bonus isn't worth it, but there's very few fights in Ulduar that are like that. Also 239 gear isn't exactly readily available right now, and any upgrades in terms of DPS from prior gear will make that gear more accessible by making the hard modes easier.

Cabrillo: I think it's a case of just pushing that button harder and making sure you get the most out of eclipse. Your gems and enchants are all good, and your spec is alright. If you've got a lot of mods installed you may want to try trimming them down to try and reduce lag as much as possible, and if you experience any graphical lag (especially in raids) you might want to turn some settings down to reduce computer lag as far as you can.

I picked up my 4-piece of Tier 8 tonight and played around with it on Thorim, Freya, Hodir as well as Test Dummies for about an hour and I have found a dreadful discovery that I haven't seen mentioned yet in this thread. Currently it has no iCD, which was found earlier. It can proc back-to-back and overwrite itself. However, if it procs while you're already casting a Starfire, that Starfire consumes the buff and you get no instant cast. On Thorim and later on Test-Dummies I was fortunate enough to have 3 procs back-to-back during a Lunar Eclipse, one during each of three consecutive Starfire casts. Instead of getting 6 casts, one instant after each, I only got the three that I spent time casting...

Hopefully this is just a bug and will be fixed within the next few weeks, but as it stands it only seems to be beneficial when you're moving or if you're using a Solar-Eclipse based rotation.

EDIT: I have made a thread about this issue on the Bug-Report forums. If anyone else has observed this issue, please report it here :]

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