Moonkin Raiding - Page 73

ninor · 04/29/09, 5:06 AM

Originally Posted by Atheril92

I made a short Moonkin DPS maximizer video. Hope this helps you out:
YouTube - Boomkin 4k+ DPS Guide (HD)

I wouldn't advice anyone to use stopcast macros in a "DPS maximizing video".

melth · 04/29/09, 7:12 AM

Originally Posted by dukes

Also 239 gear isn't exactly readily available right now, and any upgrades in terms of DPS from prior gear will make that gear more accessible by making the hard modes easier.

In that case however I think it's better to let other classes get their full T8 first because it will most likely bring your guild much faster to the point where you beat hardmodes (easily).

h3llraiser · 04/29/09, 8:14 AM

Should i use Sundial of the Exiled, or Extract of Necromantic Power for my second DPS trinket?

Another question I have is about my t7 4pc set bonus. I have not had any luck getting my t7.5 gloves, so I have been using the Gloves of the Dancing Bear. I need one more piece for my t7 4pc bonus. how much dps is the t7 4pc worth?

I am thinking I will swap my Leggings of the Boneyard for t7.5 if the 4pc bonus is significant.

dukes · 04/29/09, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by h3llraiser

if the 4pc bonus is significant.

If you can't decide whether 5% crit on the main nuke spells is better than the minor difference between those two items then there's nothing we can do here for you.

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Burasuka · 04/29/09, 9:15 AM

Originally Posted by ninor

I wouldn't advice anyone to use stopcast macros in a "DPS maximizing video".

You wouldn't advaice because of...?

Humbaba · 04/29/09, 9:44 AM

Because Blizzard removed the necessity of using them when they added the spell queue.

ninor · 04/29/09, 9:53 AM

And also because aborting a starfire cast whenever your eclipse doesn't proc when you get an NG proc is going to be a loss of DPS compared to the 1-2 extra wrath casts you get by being sure eclipse actually procs. It's just bad practice to expect a 60% chance to proc 100% of the time.

I don't see that either. /stopcasting can be quite useful to prevent getting the wrong Eclipse proc - ideally you want Lunar (SF) and not Solar (W).

You don't prevent getting a solar proc by stopcasting, you prevent it by casting wrath until a lunar eclipse procs.

gonX · 04/29/09, 9:54 AM

Originally Posted by Burasuka

You wouldn't advaice because of...?

I don't see that either. /stopcasting can be quite useful to prevent getting the wrong Eclipse proc - ideally you want Lunar (SF) and not Solar (W).

Originally Posted by Humbaba

Because Blizzard removed the necessity of using them when they added the spell queue.

Which is more accurately called sending the packets to the server even though you're already casting. It was a client side fix, nothing else

dukes · 04/29/09, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by gonX

I don't see that either. /stopcasting can be quite useful to prevent getting the wrong Eclipse proc - ideally you want Lunar (SF) and not Solar (W).

Although the difference between the two is so small in most cases that proccing the wrong one is of much less total dps cost than cancelling a spell and completely losing the GCD worth of time you just spent cancelling it. There are certain situations where you may want to force a particular proc though.

rightclick · 04/29/09, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by dukes

If you can't decide whether 5% crit on the main nuke spells is better than the minor difference between those two items then there's nothing we can do here for you.

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The man asked, so i'd rather answer than sound condescending.

Originally Posted by h3llraiser

I am thinking I will swap my Leggings of the Boneyard for t7.5 if the 4pc bonus is significant.

The answer would be:
Always go for the 4pc tier 7 bonus, as it is better than all the gains you would get from equipping best in slot gear. After you have all 5, the Wanton Legs are the best you can use to get rid of a tier item.

Of course this is available for pre-ulduar gear lists, which were nicely molded and agreed upon. The last Patch really messed things up.

Alerian · 04/29/09, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by h3llraiser

Sundial of the Exiled

This is better than Extract by a notable amount (using Rawr modeling).

I was curious how the Ulduar trinkets fared for both a Lunar and Solar rotation. Using this Solar gear set (which is not really complete since Chardev doesn't yet have access to all the Ulduar items), I worked out a "best trinket list" after adjusting the Flare of the Heavens to the new stats (using a proc similar to Dying Curse, but the "damagespellcast" trigger and adjusting for the extra spell power).

Solar Eclipse trinket order came out to:

1) Dying Curse
2) Flare of the Heavens
3) Illustration of the Dragon Soul
4) Living Flame
5) Eye of the Broodmother
6) Pandora's Plea
7) Mark of the War Prisoner
8) Scale of Fates
9) Sundial of the Exiled
10) Show of Faith

Lunar Eclipse trinket order came out to:

1) Dying Curse
2) Flare of the Heavens
3) Illustration of the Dragon Soul
4) Living Flame
5) Eye of the Broodmother
6) Scale of Fates
7) Mark of the War Prisoner
8) Pandora's Plea
9) Elemental Focus Stone
10) Embrace of the Spider

In both cases, the first five trinkets came out the same. I'm not aware of any issues with the other trinket models in Rawr (after I modified the Flare). And as with all item lists, these results will vary depending on your current gear situation (ie Dying Curse is best iff you can utilize the +hit). Has anyone else seen significantly different results?

Etam · 04/29/09, 6:09 PM

Originally Posted by Atheril92

I made a short Moonkin DPS maximizer video. Hope this helps you out:
YouTube - Boomkin 4k+ DPS Guide (HD)

I am a bit confused atm... I have been reading alot in here about the rotations and have tried pretty much all of them. I stick to a Lunar Eclipse Rotation of FF>IS>MF till Eclipse then Starfire and re-applying IS and MF as needed.

I use RAWR alot and have looked at Loot Rank and MaxDPS sites and they list different BIS replacement items then what RAWR does.

My question is... what am I doing wrong... I am hitting around 4k DPS but what the sites are telling me gear wise is confusing the heck out of me.

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Cynex · 04/29/09, 7:29 PM

I just got 3 pieces of t8.5 today, i have no proof, but after 2 hours of testing on dummies the set bonus is worth around 800-900 dps increase on lunar, and around 500-600 for solar. I have had full t7.5, replaced gloves, leggs and head.

With the new gear i am 3.5% over hit cap taking in account Misery and Draenei.
The set bonus is very powerfull and is surely worth loosing 4piece t7.5 bonus.
Just my thoughts.

Can't wait for 4th piece, to do some proc chance test ( i really can't believe that blizzard can be that silly and make a 4p tier bonus THAT bad as everyone is saying).

Cebuu · 04/29/09, 7:31 PM

Well your 4 points under hit cap, isn't huge but you can swap out a 19SP for a 9SP 8hit gem if you feel the need. Your haste is extraordinarily low, while your crit is a little high. Id throw on between 2-300 more haste, if you can manage it, and sacrifice some of that crit. Your weapon doesnt make a ton of sense either. Swap to a Mh/Oh when available.

Only problems I see with your spec are 3/3 moonglow and 1/3 brambles, with no points in Imp IS. Three points for 3% crit on your SF is much better than 2 points in moonglow and 1 in brambles.

Also make sure your using every possible GCD, by this I mean spamming your buttons. There shouldnt be much downtime in between casts, and if you end up having to change positions, reapply DoTs.

Stick to RAWR for advice on gearing, as sites like maxdps seem to have a lot of holes in their math.

Etam · 04/29/09, 9:11 PM

I have used what RAWR says to gear up is the problem. I have all the crit and such cause of how it has told me to gear when I look at it. I will definitely look at your advice and do it.