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Old 05/05/09, 1:14 PM   #1171
Knoway
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Perenolde
Originally Posted by Kuruk View Post
Good point, I stand corrected.

I really don't think you should need anything else beyond 1/1 OoC and 2/3 Intensity though, so you might as well pick Improved Moonfire 3/3.

Improved Moonfire is only 2 points, your choices are essentially 1/3 Moonglow and 2/2 Imp Moonfire, or 3/3 Moonglow (lolgenesis).

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Old 05/05/09, 7:10 PM   #1172
spiritryu
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Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Omala View Post
Hello, I've read through most of this thread and am attempting to gain some more clarification on Boomkin's AoE abilities. Due to search limitations with the site, I'm not able to properly search this thread for the information I need. I have a few questions concerning how Balance Druids perform in AoE situations and how viable they are in them. With Ulduar's bosses, there are many situations where a druid in my guild uses the argument that the spec is very weak for AoE and if this is true (Mimiron/X002/Auriya for example), should I have the Balance Druid tank the head while the warlock does adds..?

What is a typical Boomkin Area of Effect Rotation (AoE)?

How effective is a Boomkin's AoE in comparison to other classes?

During the AoE phases of encounters, are they more suited to continue single target DPS or would it be more beneficial for the raid/kill if they focused on the boss?

I apologize for my ignorance on the class and hope my questions aren't to dumbed down for the elitist jerks here
In regards to rotation, there isn't much of a rotation. On trash, spam hurricane whenever possible. Pop Starfall if it's not on CD and it's not gonna pull extra packs/break CC. Do the same with Typhoon as you did Starfall. If you're low on mana, switch back to single target. On bosses, hurricane is a huge cut in your mana, try to refrain from using it if at all possible. If you can and is needed, pop Hurricane when you have an Omen of Clarity proc.

Compared to other classes, we're prolly weaker than most. But we do put up a good fight when we have Starfall up..

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Old 05/05/09, 7:52 PM   #1173
Vyshe
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Ravencrest (EU)
Just felt like sharing my recent Ulduar experiences and proclaim my acceptance of the current itemization:

I've been running my old Naxx BiS gear through Ulduar since I didn't like the idea of losing some ~100 haste and ~6% crit for ~50 sp and ~120 spi. But I've also had horrible mana issues which led to picking up both 3/3 Intensity and 3/3 Moonglow (Look at me I'm General Vezax specced). Even then I had problems while learning Yogg-Saron. So tonight, which also ended with our first Yogg kill, I equipped that spirit ridden T8 and all my mana problems were gone. I was tossing Typhoons and Starfalls left and right and still ended up with nearly full mana giving my Innervate to a Priest in late P3. (I did do a try or two in my old BiS gear to compare, but it didn't result in any dps gains - quite the opposite even, since I couldn't spend mana as freely.)

I was sitting at 825 spi fully buffed, and I did use an early Innervate on myself most tries, but in retrospect I don't really think that was needed. I didn't use a mana pot either. Too much mana is not a good thing of course, but I'm glad to be back to that again.

With the upcoming changes to the T8 4p, Innervate and imp.Moonkin Aura I feel confident enough to drop some points in Moonglow and maybe even Intensity, and start wearing my shiny Ulduar gear full time instead of just dragging it along in my bags.

What I'm trying to say I guess is that I thought the time between Naxx and Hard Mode BiS gear would be a series of painful choices between decently itemized Naxx gear and the "Crit and Haste had a fight and now they refuse to share itemslot" spirit gear with higher ilvl. But it turns out I'm already over it. It doesn't hurt at all.

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Old 05/05/09, 8:08 PM   #1174
HoHo1987
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Jubei'Thos
Hi guys! May I please check what is the haste cap at for moonkin?

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Old 05/05/09, 8:15 PM   #1175
spiritryu
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Originally Posted by HoHo1987 View Post
Hi guys! May I please check what is the haste cap at for moonkin?
I believe it's 400 Haste for a Solar Rotation. As for Lunar Rotation, it's currently too high to reach.

Read the link for further info.
Gray Matter: Mailbag: The Moonkin Haste Cap


On another note, if you were to use the 4pc T8. Which pieces would be good to use?

Last edited by spiritryu : 05/05/09 at 8:32 PM.

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Old 05/05/09, 8:22 PM   #1176
HoHo1987
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Originally Posted by spiritryu View Post
I believe it's 400 Haste for a Solar Rotation. As for Lunar Rotation, it's currently too high to reach.

Read the link for further info.
Gray Matter: Mailbag: The Moonkin Haste Cap
Thanks for your reply Anyway just to double confirm, solar rotation is I have to spam Starfire till eclipse proc and follow by Wrath? Or is it the other way round?

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Old 05/05/09, 8:52 PM   #1177
Omala
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Dath'Remar
Originally Posted by spiritryu View Post
In regards to rotation, there isn't much of a rotation. On trash, spam hurricane whenever possible. Pop Starfall if it's not on CD and it's not gonna pull extra packs/break CC. Do the same with Typhoon as you did Starfall. If you're low on mana, switch back to single target. On bosses, hurricane is a huge cut in your mana, try to refrain from using it if at all possible. If you can and is needed, pop Hurricane when you have an Omen of Clarity proc.

Compared to other classes, we're prolly weaker than most. But we do put up a good fight when we have Starfall up..
Thank you very much for the response.

Right now in our (mages) current state, our AoE is one of the weakest to hit, however, Blizzard talented is a tool I refuse to raid without in Ulduar. I do realize that my class has far more utilities and types of AoE, however, we're not hitting very hard with it.

Would you say Typhoon in Ulduar is a well spent talent point?

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Old 05/05/09, 9:16 PM   #1178
spiritryu
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Originally Posted by HoHo1987 View Post
Thanks for your reply Anyway just to double confirm, solar rotation is I have to spam Starfire till eclipse proc and follow by Wrath? Or is it the other way round?
Solar Rotation is spamming Starfire to proc the Wrath buffed Eclipse.

Originally Posted by Omala View Post
Thank you very much for the response.

Right now in our (mages) current state, our AoE is one of the weakest to hit, however, Blizzard talented is a tool I refuse to raid without in Ulduar. I do realize that my class has far more utilities and types of AoE, however, we're not hitting very hard with it.

Would you say Typhoon in Ulduar is a well spent talent point?
Typhoon is just one of those preference type talents. I'd recommend you just doing some testing on whether you like the talent enough in Ulduar or not. Also, be sure you figure out whether you want to Glyph it or not.

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Old 05/05/09, 11:06 PM   #1179
druen123
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Tauren Druid
 
Feathermoon
Ulduar Raiding

So I've been in Ulduar for a while now and I've been noticing that there is a lot of AoE. I was wondering if anyone could help me out. i was thinking about using gale winds but i don't know what i should take out of to get it.
Anyone have an sugestions?

Also wiht this new Nature's Grace I was wondering if it would be better to use starfire as my main spell or wrath. Wrath seems to proc it more but with the eclipse for starifre up it's pretty much up all the time. Got any tips guys?

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Old 05/06/09, 12:55 AM   #1180
vacaloca
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Tauren Druid
 
Agamaggan
Ok so I'm basically looking for some info on what pieces of gear I need to be trying to get in 25 man not counting hard modes which may be a while for my guild to get to. Right now we are on Vezax and will prob have the place clear in the next week or 2.

I've been reading all about how our tier 8.5 is pretty crap. Are there pieces in regular 25 man that are worth breaking my 4 piece 7.5 for? Currently I'm using the robes off Kologarn and 4 piece 7.5. Messing with Rawr most of the pieces its recommending are hard mode drops. Any help with suggesting some specific pieces would be nice.

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Old 05/06/09, 2:31 AM   #1181
Elessare441
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Night Elf Druid
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
2 piece t8 < 4piece t7 bonus ?

Guess its not a good idea to wear 2 pieces of T8 when u have 4 piece of t7 bonus instead.?

looted my 2nd piece and tried it out on turget dummy..the %15 more eclipse benefit doesnt seems like as good as t7 4piece bonus ( %5 crit on starfire wrath)..

did 4.1k dps on target heroic dummy with 2 pieces of t8 +3 piece of t7..

4.6k dps with 4 t7 pieces..

And i read @ every forum that 4 piece t8 bonus is Not a crazy improvement for us.( the instant starfire)

So what the **** we gonna do ? shall we collect 4 piece of t8 ? or is it a waste of dkp ?*-*

if Any one have some ideas about t7 t8 set bonuses,pls share ur ideas.

Edit: armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 05/06/09, 2:51 AM   #1182
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Looking at the stats and setbonuses, it might seem like 2xT7.5 + 2xt8.5 might be the way to go.
Even buffed the t8 4set bonus is bad, lame, pvp etc.. Cant understand how this made it on the PvE set.

Seems like:
Tier 7.5 head and shoulder might be worth sticking with.
Tier 8.5 hands and chest
And keep like the Wanton legs.

Any thoughts on this,?

Is there any reliable data that 2set from both t7 and 8 is the best combination atm?

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Old 05/06/09, 3:41 AM   #1183
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Originally Posted by Miim View Post
Tier 8.5 hands and chest
And keep like the Wanton legs.
I'd use the T8.5 legs and use [Robes of the Umbral Brute] instead of the T8.5 chest. For a Wrath rotation Nightsong Trousers are better than Wanton Spellcaster. For a starfire rotation you might want to stick with Wanton though.


On to another topic: Improved Moonkin form is getting buffed to provide a 30% spirit->spellpower conversion in the next patch. Of course, as long as spirit remains as expensive as any other stat spirit items will still be less desirable compared to items with the points spent in pure dps stats, but will it affect your gearing? Will you be looking at items with spirit on them with any less distaste?

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Old 05/06/09, 4:50 AM   #1184
ninor
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Originally Posted by Rosoo View Post
This is the best in slot list that I threw together last night. If someone could critique me and point out anything blatantly stupid that I may have missed, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Helm - [Conqueror's Nightsong Cover]
Neck - [Pendant of Fiery Havoc]
Shoulder - [Conqueror's Nightsong Mantle]
Back - [Drape of Mortal Downfall]
Chest - http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...26_9806_13.jpg
Wrist - http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/..._26_9806_5.jpg
Hands - [Conqueror's Nightsong Gloves]
Waist - [Belt of Arctic Life]
Legs - [Conqueror's Nightsong Trousers]
Feet - http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...26_9806_18.jpg
Ring - [Signet of Manifested Pain]
Ring - http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...26_9806_11.jpg
Trinket - [Flare of the Heavens]
Trinket - [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]
Weapon - [Staff of Endless Winter]
Idol - [Idol of the Shooting Star]
Rawr 2.2.2 giev me [Collar of the Wyrmhunter] instead of [Conqueror's Nightsong Cover] and the [Conqueror's Nightsong Vestments] instead of the Vestments of the Blind Denizen. Not sure if that is because of JC or something else.

Oh, and [Eye of the Broodmother] instead of [Flare of the Heavens].

The added bonus of this is that two drops from Razorscale replace two hard mode drops from General Vezax.
Overall rating is 12255. [edit: some changes to the gem allocations (rawr seems to have some issues with this) give me 12833 rating]

Last edited by ninor : 05/06/09 at 7:05 AM.


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Old 05/06/09, 4:54 AM   #1185
Korhaug
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Originally Posted by spiritryu View Post
On another note, if you were to use the 4pc T8. Which pieces would be good to use?
If you're going for 4/5 all the pieces are fine, since all except the legs are pretty much equivalent (the legs are better). The question is what slot can you replace with something better. Here's a rough list of items which fit that description.

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