Improved Moonfire is only 2 points, your choices are essentially 1/3 Moonglow and 2/2 Imp Moonfire, or 3/3 Moonglow (lolgenesis).

Just felt like sharing my recent Ulduar experiences and proclaim my acceptance of the current itemization:

I've been running my old Naxx BiS gear through Ulduar since I didn't like the idea of losing some ~100 haste and ~6% crit for ~50 sp and ~120 spi. But I've also had horrible mana issues which led to picking up both 3/3 Intensity and 3/3 Moonglow (Look at me I'm General Vezax specced). Even then I had problems while learning Yogg-Saron. So tonight, which also ended with our first Yogg kill, I equipped that spirit ridden T8 and all my mana problems were gone. I was tossing Typhoons and Starfalls left and right and still ended up with nearly full mana giving my Innervate to a Priest in late P3. (I did do a try or two in my old BiS gear to compare, but it didn't result in any dps gains - quite the opposite even, since I couldn't spend mana as freely.)

I was sitting at 825 spi fully buffed, and I did use an early Innervate on myself most tries, but in retrospect I don't really think that was needed. I didn't use a mana pot either. Too much mana is not a good thing of course, but I'm glad to be back to that again.

With the upcoming changes to the T8 4p, Innervate and imp.Moonkin Aura I feel confident enough to drop some points in Moonglow and maybe even Intensity, and start wearing my shiny Ulduar gear full time instead of just dragging it along in my bags.

What I'm trying to say I guess is that I thought the time between Naxx and Hard Mode BiS gear would be a series of painful choices between decently itemized Naxx gear and the "Crit and Haste had a fight and now they refuse to share itemslot" spirit gear with higher ilvl. But it turns out I'm already over it. It doesn't hurt at all.

Hi guys! May I please check what is the haste cap at for moonkin?

I believe it's 400 Haste for a Solar Rotation. As for Lunar Rotation, it's currently too high to reach.

Read the link for further info.
Gray Matter: Mailbag: The Moonkin Haste Cap


On another note, if you were to use the 4pc T8. Which pieces would be good to use?

Thank you very much for the response.

Right now in our (mages) current state, our AoE is one of the weakest to hit, however, Blizzard talented is a tool I refuse to raid without in Ulduar. I do realize that my class has far more utilities and types of AoE, however, we're not hitting very hard with it.

Would you say Typhoon in Ulduar is a well spent talent point?

Solar Rotation is spamming Starfire to proc the Wrath buffed Eclipse.

Typhoon is just one of those preference type talents. I'd recommend you just doing some testing on whether you like the talent enough in Ulduar or not. Also, be sure you figure out whether you want to Glyph it or not.

So I've been in Ulduar for a while now and I've been noticing that there is a lot of AoE. I was wondering if anyone could help me out. i was thinking about using gale winds but i don't know what i should take out of to get it.
Anyone have an sugestions?

Also wiht this new Nature's Grace I was wondering if it would be better to use starfire as my main spell or wrath. Wrath seems to proc it more but with the eclipse for starifre up it's pretty much up all the time. Got any tips guys?

2 piece t8 < 4piece t7 bonus ?

Guess its not a good idea to wear 2 pieces of T8 when u have 4 piece of t7 bonus instead.?

looted my 2nd piece and tried it out on turget dummy..the %15 more eclipse benefit doesnt seems like as good as t7 4piece bonus ( %5 crit on starfire wrath)..

did 4.1k dps on target heroic dummy with 2 pieces of t8 +3 piece of t7..

4.6k dps with 4 t7 pieces..

And i read @ every forum that 4 piece t8 bonus is Not a crazy improvement for us.( the instant starfire)

So what the **** we gonna do ? shall we collect 4 piece of t8 ? or is it a waste of dkp ?*-*

if Any one have some ideas about t7 t8 set bonuses,pls share ur ideas.

Edit: armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

Looking at the stats and setbonuses, it might seem like 2xT7.5 + 2xt8.5 might be the way to go.
Even buffed the t8 4set bonus is bad, lame, pvp etc.. Cant understand how this made it on the PvE set.

Seems like:
Tier 7.5 head and shoulder might be worth sticking with.
Tier 8.5 hands and chest
And keep like the Wanton legs.

Any thoughts on this,?

Is there any reliable data that 2set from both t7 and 8 is the best combination atm?

I'd use the T8.5 legs and use [Robes of the Umbral Brute] instead of the T8.5 chest. For a Wrath rotation Nightsong Trousers are better than Wanton Spellcaster. For a starfire rotation you might want to stick with Wanton though.


On to another topic: Improved Moonkin form is getting buffed to provide a 30% spirit->spellpower conversion in the next patch. Of course, as long as spirit remains as expensive as any other stat spirit items will still be less desirable compared to items with the points spent in pure dps stats, but will it affect your gearing? Will you be looking at items with spirit on them with any less distaste?

If you're going for 4/5 all the pieces are fine, since all except the legs are pretty much equivalent (the legs are better). The question is what slot can you replace with something better. Here's a rough list of items which fit that description.