Moonkin Raiding - Page 8

• Hamlet · 12/08/08, 1:59 AM

Originally Posted by hoffmand9

When getting geared enough to drop intensity, is it better to get owlkin or brambles? Obviously brambles will be better for certain fights where there is little AoE damage and owlkin will be nice for the fights where brambles is bad. Overall what are your opinions on brambles vs. owlkin in the current wotlk raids?

Off the top of my head:
Say Treants are 5-7% of your damage, then Brambles will give you about 1% for the 3 points.
To get 1% from Owlkin Frenzy, you need a proc every 100 seconds or so.

So you need to be hit (to an order of magnitude) once every 15 seconds, on average, to make OF better.

It depend on what you're doing. For PW parses, OF is useless, so take your 7k damage or whatever from Brambles. But the only meaningful DPS check in Naxx is Thaddius, and OF is good there (whereas Treants are entirely useless). If you're working on Malygos, OF will be better, as there a lot of RST abilities in both P1 and P2. And if you're working on Sarth+drakes, there's enough random damage to make OF good again, whereas I imagine Treants will just die stupidly to the lava wave or a Void Zone.

So basic result seems to be that OF tends to be better when you're doing anything remotely interesting.

e: unless OF stacks additively with Pos/Neg Charge, in which case both talents suck at Thaddius.

e2: it should be noted that the following things do more DPS than either Brambles or OF in almost any situation:
--Celestial Focus
--Imp. Insect Swarm, even in a non-IS build
--Imp. Faerie Fire, if it works off of your resident Feral's FF (undetermined, but the tooltip seems to indicate that it would).

hoffmand9 · 12/08/08, 2:37 AM

Has the IFF + feral faerie fire question been answered yet? If so, that would make the decision fairly easy.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft - this is the build I'm thinking of, starfall and gale winds are nice for trash, but trash is just that, trash.

• Hamlet · 12/08/08, 2:41 AM

Starfall is going to be more than 1% DPS against single targets anyway.

Angelfire · 12/08/08, 2:44 AM

Hey, I got a small question about gear, hope it's an OK place to ask.
I'm about to start naxx 10 (I know if you look at the armory I'm well undergeared, but my guild is somewhat forgiving that way, and I'm working on Heroics). Question is about trinkets. Currently I have [Hex Shrunken Head] and [Mercurial Alchemist Stone], and if I equip [Rune of Infinite Power] it'll take me over the hitcap of 14% (again, armory not updated yet, I got some hit gear last night not yet equipped).
Question is, is it worth it to equip the new trinket over one of the other ones? If so, which one? Or should I wait to cap my hit on other gear slots?

McAnus · 12/08/08, 2:58 AM

the hitcap is 17%
you get 1% from shaman
3% from IFF / misery
4% from tallents
that leaves you with a hitcap of 9%

it realy depends what your raidcomp looks like, and how much "wasted" hitrating you get.

hoffmand9 · 12/08/08, 3:32 AM

So I was looking over Rokaz's >5k patchwerk and was intrigued by the fact that his IS is averaging 6384 damage per cast if he is using nature's splendor and his MF is averaging 10844 damage per cast assuming nature's splendor and 3 starfires with the starfire glyph. His wraths are averaging 4882 per cast and his starfires are averaging 10086 per cast. This makes me wonder if using IS at all is even worth casting other than when you have to move because of missing out on the chance to proc NG or eclipse or cutting into eclipse time. MF is obviously ok as long as you're not clipping eclipse and not worrying about it falling off if eclipse is on CD since it can proc NG.

Angelfire · 12/08/08, 3:45 AM

@Mcanus - I'm aiming to be as self-reliant as possible, as in a 10 man setting, I can not know for sure my exact group composition. We have a shadow priest, but not sure he's coming, we have a few Draenei (I believe you meant Draenei with with 1% hit u put down as shamans) but no enough mains to rely on that in a 10 man, I'm not specced IFF, and as for Shaman totems, again, not sure I will have a shaman, or the right kind of a shaman. I figured aiming for 14% should keep me on the safe side, as I'm almost certain to get at least 3% from other buffs/debuffs.
If you think it's better to aim at 17%, I can do that as well I guess, but 9% certainly sounds too low to me, as I really don't know what raid comp I'll have, at least for the next few weeks before we start the 25-mans.

khel · 12/08/08, 4:27 AM

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I was doing IS, MF, Wrath til Eclipse procs, SF til it ends as a general rule. I think that I should have been refreshing MF during Eclipse more often than I did. If Eclipse didn't proc from Wrath and I had less than 5 seconds left on Moonfire, I would switch to Starfire to extend the dot and just take the Eclipse if it procced and spam Wrath with it. I am really unsure if it's better to just refresh the Moonfire and continue with Wrath, or to switch to Starfire like this.

I didn't have IS glyphed (and don't plan on it) or the 2set bonus, so I'm not sure under what circumstances refreshing it should be a priority. I usually don't refresh it at all during an Eclipse, unless I procced Eclipse from Starfire and it falls off within the first 3-4 seconds.

Ranghar · 12/08/08, 4:49 AM

Originally Posted by khel

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I was doing IS, MF, Wrath til Eclipse procs, SF til it ends as a general rule.

Were you casting SF until Eclipse ends or until Eclipse cooldown ends?

khel · 12/08/08, 4:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ranghar

Were you casting SF until Eclipse ends or until Eclipse cooldown ends?

SF until the end of eclipse, but when there was a new Moonfire on and Eclipse on cooldown, I would SFx3 before Eclipse was back up again. That's another thing that I don't feel confident about.

Buchla · 12/08/08, 5:31 AM

Originally Posted by McAnus

the hitcap is 17%
you get 1% from shaman
3% from IFF / misery
4% from tallents
that leaves you with a hitcap of 9%

it realy depends what your raidcomp looks like, and how much "wasted" hitrating you get.

Hi MaAnus,

can you please explain me how do i get 1% Hit from a shaman?

thank you.

dukes · 12/08/08, 5:45 AM

He means 1% from a Draenei. As all Shamans must be Draenei, this equates to effectively the same thing, although all Draenei give the aura (see: Heroic Presence).

For Horde you should be planning on 10% hit rather than the 9% that alliance can get away with when a Draenei is around.

McAnus · 12/09/08, 2:26 AM

yep. sorry for the confusion.

if you dont know your raid setup. i would recomend to have a few extra items with hit, you could swarp on. Maby have a trinket 2 rings and a neck with loads of hit on them, so you could switch the easy gear, without thinking of gems and meta requirements.

Originally Posted by Spink

Am I going crazy or did starfall lose almost all of it's bonus from spellpower last night? I went from stars hitting for about 1k to 540-580. Still rank 4 on my bar so not downranked or anything

im having the same exact feeling. duno if it was just my luck, but i was doing terible dps last night.
it was like the crits were high enough as they used to, but the hits got way lower.
i did put in the increased crit hit dmg meta gem in my headitem, instead of the spelldmg/runspeed, a few days ago.
But i think it was just me who got powned on the dmg meters.

chicogrande · 12/09/08, 10:53 AM

Great thread, especially for a new raiding moonkin like myself. I enjoy pouring over all the data, theories and observations every day.

Some quick questions. I'm about to swing through Naxx-10 for the first time this evening. Although my currently equipped armory gear doesn't reflect, I have enough +hit for the cap and I'm now considering what self-buffing to apply:

1. Guardian Elixir of choice? Elixir of Mighty Thoughts was what I was going to initially go with since I can easily produce them myself.
2. Battle Elixir of choice? Elixir of Spellpower was my initial choice. Was also considering Elixir of Lightning Speed
3. Food buffs? Considering either the spelldmg or haste food buffs. Thoughts?

Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere. Just looking for some advice and guidance. Especially around electing for spellpwr vs. haste in some cases.

• Adoriele · 12/09/08, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by chicogrande

Great thread, especially for a new raiding moonkin like myself. I enjoy pouring over all the data, theories and observations every day.

Some quick questions. I'm about to swing through Naxx-10 for the first time this evening. Although my currently equipped armory gear doesn't reflect, I have enough +hit for the cap and I'm now considering what self-buffing to apply:

1. Guardian Elixir of choice? Elixir of Mighty Thoughts was what I was going to initially go with since I can easily produce them myself.
2. Battle Elixir of choice? Elixir of Spellpower was my initial choice. Was also considering Elixir of Lightning Speed
3. Food buffs? Considering either the spelldmg or haste food buffs. Thoughts?

Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere. Just looking for some advice and guidance. Especially around electing for spellpwr vs. haste in some cases.

[Flask of the Frost Wyrm] is going to be better than any elixir combo at the moment, though if you'd prefer elixirs for whatever reason, your guesses are correct. Food buff, you'd want to use spellpower unless your haste is really low, which I sort of doubt it would be unless you are avoiding it for some reason.