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05/06/09, 8:38 AM
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#1187
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Bloodhoof (EU)
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Originally Posted by druen123
So I've been in Ulduar for a while now and I've been noticing that there is a lot of AoE. I was wondering if anyone could help me out. i was thinking about using gale winds but i don't know what i should take out of to get it.
Anyone have an sugestions?
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If you want to spec into gale wind and your priority is max dps, I recommend to take out points from the the following talents:
mana regen talents (order to take points out: Moonglow>Dreamstate>Intensity>OOC) ...but only do that if you are not mana constrained.
I personal reduced also Nature's Reach to 1/2. Range can be compensated and aggro is usually no issue for me.
if you wanna check my spec as reference: The World of Warcraft Armory
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Also wiht this new Nature's Grace I was wondering if it would be better to use starfire as my main spell or wrath. Wrath seems to proc it more but with the eclipse for starifre up it's pretty much up all the time. Got any tips guys?
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Dependent on haste the new NG favours dps-wise one or the other eclipse rotation:
General rule:
<400haste: Solar eclipse rotation
>400haste: lunar eclipse rotation
But this also depends on alot of other things: movement, equipment, crit, SP and the fight itself... in movement heavy fights or low hp enemies I use alot of wrath despite the fact that my gear and my preferred rotation is starfire-heavy.
The change as I see it has reduced the gap between wrath-heavy casting and starfire-heavy casting.
Before the change Lunar eclipse triggering rotations (SF-heavy) were clearly the way to go. Now it is a bit more complex.
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05/06/09, 8:47 AM
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#1188
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by ninor
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Do you have bloodlust selected in rawr? Because that rating seems high for not having flare of the heavens (120 crit rating is the real flare of the heavens not the 95 crit rating one.).
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05/06/09, 9:11 AM
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#1189
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Stormscale (EU)
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Nope, don't have bloodlust selected. Did have the Wowhead version of [Flare of the Heavens], but reloading from armory doesn't really affect it's placement in Rawr. Might be an issue with how the proc is calculated? But the trinket rating in Rawr seems really strange, yeah.
Changing to a Solar rotation give me a whole different set of gear though, and a much higher rating.
You can check the settings here, feedback appreciated.
Stats on that set:
Spell Power: 3330
Spell Hit: 16,95%
Spell Crit: 42,93%
Spell Haste: 24,81%
Sustained DPS Rotation: IS/MF/W
Burst DPS Rotation: IS/MF/W
Sustained Damage Points: 6610,74
Burst Damage Points: 6610,74
Overall Points: 13221,47
Relative stat values:
HitRating=4.97
SpellPower=2.67
HasteRating=2.54
CritRating=2.16
Intellect=1.12
Spirit=0.43 )
That's the highest I have been able to find in Rawr. It will probably change a bit when slot bonuses on some of the items get known.
Last edited by ninor : 05/06/09 at 9:21 AM.
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05/06/09, 11:32 AM
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#1190
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playing by beerlight
Alerian
Troll Druid
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by ninor
Nope, don't have bloodlust selected. Did have the Wowhead version of [Flare of the Heavens], but reloading from armory doesn't really affect it's placement in Rawr. Might be an issue with how the proc is calculated? But the trinket rating in Rawr seems really strange, yeah.
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I adjusted the proc for Flare of the Heavens in Rawr using 3.1.1 numbers back on page 44. That list ranking may change, but Flare is much better when you have the correct proc applied to it (refreshing from Wowhead doesn't fix it, you have to manually go in and update it).
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05/06/09, 1:14 PM
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#1191
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Dentarg (EU)
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I've tried doing some litte comparison today using rawr 2.2.2v and it shows that the T8 head being now better of the collar of the wyrmhunter.
Are this value now correct, basically meaning that:
9 hit rating, 20 SP and the new socket bonus gives more dps than 1 INT, 68 haste?
I know that the value on spellpower is higher than the value of haste on DPS and hit rating is valued a lot higher till cap, but these results seems a bit off, is rawr wrongly evaluating the stats/bonus set? ( Even because rawr is evaluating the t7.5 head also higher than the Collar, which seems a lot strange, but could be understandable because of the bonus set)
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05/06/09, 1:28 PM
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#1192
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by gades
I've tried doing some litte comparison today using rawr 2.2.2v and it shows that the T8 head being now better of the collar of the wyrmhunter.
Are this value now correct, basically meaning that:
9 hit rating, 20 SP and the new socket bonus gives more dps than 1 INT, 68 haste?
I know that the value on spellpower is higher than the value of haste on DPS and hit rating is valued a lot higher till cap, but these results seems a bit off, is rawr wrongly evaluating the stats/bonus set? ( Even because rawr is evaluating the t7.5 head also higher than the Collar, which seems a lot strange, but could be understandable because of the bonus set)
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Sigh. If you'd read the Rawr development thread, you'd know that Rawr.Moonkin 2.2.2 is updated for the next patch. This includes the buffed set bonus and the changes to Innervate. The change for the Spirit->SP conversion in Imp Moonkin is not in the release, but it is in the source code.
Also, as much as I appreciate everyone using the tool I worked so hard on, let's not make this a "Show my Rawr output BiS list" thread. Let's focus on more productive discussions; one I'd like to see mathed out more clearly is Solar vs. Lunar Eclipse after the buff they gave to Solar last patch. I know that most schools of thought hold that Lunar is still better, but Rawr is consistently answering Solar for T8-level gear, and I wanted to ask the better theorycrafters among us if they could demonstrate definitively if this is true (or even within the realm of possibility).
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05/06/09, 3:17 PM
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#1193
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Druid
Echo Isles
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Solar > Lunar is certainly within the realm of possibility.
Wrath (with Wrath idol) has slightly better base DPS than SF (with SF idol) (662/GCD vs 1295/2 GCD). Wrath's SP DPS scaling is better (67%/GCD vs 120%/2 GCD).
IIS and Eclipse bonuses both favor Wrath slightly (I'd say strongly, except for Nature's Grace and Chaotic meta).
SF glyph is strong, but with common rotation choices you're probably looking at 3 extra Moonfire Dots per Eclispe rotation, Lunar or Solar.
Things in favor of Lunar:
Latency effects hammer Wrath. Wrath is hurt by high levels of Haste. Pushback protection on SF (ignored in most/all simulators). 4t8 will favor Lunar (unless they don't fix the bug), since the proc benefits from Eclipse.
Simulationcraft t7 sample output has Lunar about 1% better than Solar. That is with a fairly strict lag model (I think it is equivalent to 0.15s in both Latency and React in WrathCalcs), 607 Haste on gear, and the SF idol even in the Wrath rotation.
Consistently knock just 50ms from each cast and Wrath gets 5% better, while SF gets only 2.5% better. Latency effects dominate the difference between the two spells.
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05/06/09, 3:34 PM
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#1194
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Happy October 19th!
Night Elf Druid
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by Erdluf
Simulationcraft t7 sample output has Lunar about 1% better than Solar. That is with a fairly strict lag model (I think it is equivalent to 0.15s in both Latency and React in WrathCalcs), 607 Haste on gear, and the SF idol even in the Wrath rotation.
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I'd like to see the results of a set of runs with the haste and crit ratings (not percentages) swapped, all other things equal except perhaps the idol changed. Wrath easily scales better with Crit than Haste, while SF is the opposite. We may be in a place where rotation dictates how you should gear, rather than the other way around.
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05/06/09, 3:51 PM
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#1195
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Windrunner
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The problem I have with a Solar Eclipse rotation is that it's always losing dps with any outside haste gains unless you sit extremely low on haste rating. Atm i'm at 380ish and during bloodlust(Every fight), Moonlights(Hodir), Shadow Crash(Vezax), Slag Pot(Ignis), the loss on dps trying to stick to a Solar Eclipse rotation just doesn't seem worth gearing for more crit and less haste worth it. Any one of these effects plus NG and my Wrath is .8 cast. Just switching to Lunar at these times seems to waste itemization or a GCD switching the idol.
Obviously bloodlust is only 40 sec in the encounter, but the Misc fight mechanics that boost haste in other encounters are typically the whole fight. It seems foolish to gear for one rotation when you can't even use it on every fight. If only they'd make it so Wrath had no GCD. (lol, jokes.)
The Lunar Eclipse is basically only restricted by Loatheb, a boss that has no hard-mode in a tier we've already taken off main raid times.
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05/06/09, 5:00 PM
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#1196
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Don Flamenco
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I think the key would be to get a good balance on a set to basically excel at one rotation but still not tank the other. Right now I've got a set planned that is less than a 100 dps difference between the 2 rotations with about 455 haste rating, 706 crit rating and 3025 sp. Overall this set favors a solar rotation but it is still decent at a lunar rotation.
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05/06/09, 5:01 PM
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#1197
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King Hippo
Tauren Druid
Destromath (EU)
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Originally Posted by Adoriele
I'd like to see the results of a set of runs with the haste and crit ratings (not percentages) swapped, all other things equal except perhaps the idol changed. Wrath easily scales better with Crit than Haste, while SF is the opposite. We may be in a place where rotation dictates how you should gear, rather than the other way around.
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Base setup

druid=xyz
level=80
talents=http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0xRbuiIsfdIVhouZbxczb
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/mark_of_the_wild/moonkin_form/mana_potion
actions+=/innervate,trigger=19000
actions+=/treants
actions+=/starfall,skip_on_eclipse=1
actions+=/moonfire,skip_on_eclipse=-1
actions+=/insect_swarm,eclipse_left>=12
# WFiller
actions+=/starfire,eclipse=trigger
actions+=/wrath,eclipse=benefit
actions+=/wrath
# SFFiller
actions+=/wrath,eclipse=benefit
actions+=/starfire
# Standard Gear Attributes chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner
gear_stamina=800
gear_intellect=802
gear_spirit=234
gear_spell_power=2079
gear_hit_rating=263
#gear_hit_rating=275 Actual rating from profile, would distort hit-rating-scale.
gear_crit_rating=364
gear_haste_rating=607
gear_mp5=15
# Set Bonuses
tier7_2pc=1
tier7_4pc=1
# Meta Gem
chaotic_skyflare=1
# Item Procs
illustration_of_the_dragon_soul=1
dying_curse=1
# Glyphs
glyph_moonfire=1
glyph_starfire=1
glyph_insect_swarm=1
# Relic
idol_of_steadfast_renewal=1 | idol_of_the_shooting_star=1

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.2 (iterations=1000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1)
DPS Ranking:
23708 100.0% Raid
6013 25.3% SFFiller_SFIdol
5962 25.1% SFFiller_WIdol
5908 24.9% WFiller_WIdol
5860 24.7% WFiller_SFIdol
Player=SFFiller_SFIdol DPS=6012.9 (Error=+/-10.9 Range=+/-654) DPR=20.4 RS=294.4/250.8 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=16.0% penetration=0 haste=18.5% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=16.3% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=24.1%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.1|15.0sec DPE= 9641|11% DPET= 8181 DPR= 36.5 Miss=0.0% TickCount=138 Tick=1405
moonfire Count= 9.9|31.5sec DPE=11229| 6% DPET= 9445 DPR= 16.5 Miss=0.0% Hit= 325 Crit= 679| 745|42.0% TickCount=75 Tick=1413
starfall Count= 3.8|95.5sec DPE=12018| 3% DPET= 9830 DPR= 9.2 Miss=0.0% TickCount=74 Tick=441 CritTick=933|1614|37.4%
starfire Count= 76.3| 3.8sec DPE= 9959|42% DPET= 4959 DPR= 19.5 Miss=0.0% Hit=6667 Crit=13922|15934|45.4%
wrath Count= 89.1| 3.2sec DPE= 6915|34% DPET= 5958 DPR= 19.7 Miss=0.0% Hit=4719 Crit= 9869|11393|42.6%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1755| 4% DPET= 1205 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1830 Crit= 3662| 3854|8.3% Glance=1373|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
Player=SFFiller_WIdol DPS=5961.6 (Error=+/-10.8 Range=+/-517) DPR=20.3 RS=294.3/250.5 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=16.0% penetration=0 haste=18.5% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=16.3% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=24.1%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.0|15.0sec DPE= 9647|11% DPET= 8183 DPR= 36.5 Miss=0.0% TickCount=138 Tick=1404
moonfire Count= 9.9|31.5sec DPE=11248| 6% DPET= 9459 DPR= 16.5 Miss=0.0% Hit= 325 Crit= 679| 745|43.4% TickCount=76 Tick=1413
starfall Count= 3.9|95.4sec DPE=11992| 3% DPET= 9794 DPR= 9.2 Miss=0.0% TickCount=74 Tick=441 CritTick=928|1614|37.3%
starfire Count= 76.2| 3.8sec DPE= 9581|41% DPET= 4772 DPR= 18.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=6409 Crit=13399|15401|45.4%
wrath Count= 89.1| 3.2sec DPE= 7071|35% DPET= 6090 DPR= 20.1 Miss=0.0% Hit=4841 Crit=10111|11646|42.3%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1751| 4% DPET= 1202 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1829 Crit= 3661| 3854|8.1% Glance=1372|24.1% Dodge=6.4%
Player=WFiller_SFIdol DPS=5859.8 (Error=+/-9.5 Range=+/-471) DPR=18.8 RS=312.1/270.4 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=16.0% penetration=0 haste=18.5% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=16.3% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=24.1%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.3|14.9sec DPE= 9616|11% DPET= 8188 DPR= 36.4 Miss=0.0% TickCount=139 Tick=1406
moonfire Count= 11.5|26.9sec DPE= 9662| 6% DPET= 8168 DPR= 14.2 Miss=0.0% Hit= 324 Crit= 678| 745|43.7% TickCount=75 Tick=1410
starfall Count= 3.9|95.2sec DPE=11947| 3% DPET= 9829 DPR= 9.1 Miss=0.0% TickCount=75 Tick=442 CritTick=926|1614|37.4%
starfire Count= 27.7|10.5sec DPE= 9970|16% DPET= 4917 DPR= 19.5 Miss=0.0% Hit=6691 Crit=13980|15934|45.0%
wrath Count=171.3| 1.7sec DPE= 6144|60% DPET= 5296 DPR= 17.5 Miss=0.0% Hit=4197 Crit= 8772|11393|42.6%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1750| 4% DPET= 1202 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1830 Crit= 3661| 3854|8.3% Glance=1373|23.8% Dodge=6.7%
Player=WFiller_WIdol DPS=5907.9 (Error=+/-9.2 Range=+/-452) DPR=18.9 RS=311.8/269.8 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=16.0% penetration=0 haste=18.5% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=16.3% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=24.1%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.3|14.9sec DPE= 9614|11% DPET= 8184 DPR= 36.4 Miss=0.0% TickCount=139 Tick=1405
moonfire Count= 11.5|27.0sec DPE= 9662| 6% DPET= 8162 DPR= 14.2 Miss=0.0% Hit= 324 Crit= 678| 745|43.5% TickCount=75 Tick=1410
starfall Count= 3.9|95.2sec DPE=11918| 3% DPET= 9812 DPR= 9.1 Miss=0.0% TickCount=75 Tick=443 CritTick=922|1614|37.1%
starfire Count= 27.6|10.5sec DPE= 9609|15% DPET= 4739 DPR= 18.8 Miss=0.0% Hit=6434 Crit=13461|15401|45.2%
wrath Count=171.3| 1.7sec DPE= 6290|61% DPET= 5420 DPR= 17.9 Miss=0.0% Hit=4303 Crit= 8991|11646|42.4%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1755| 4% DPET= 1205 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1830 Crit= 3658| 3854|8.5% Glance=1372|24.1% Dodge=6.5%
Gains:
WFiller_WIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6480.9 (overflow=1.0%)
initial_mana=22309.8
innervate=527.0
judgement_of_wisdom=6666.0
mana_potion=4300.0
moonkin_form=40034.3
mp5_regen=6197.8
omen_of_clarity=5513.1
replenishment=16573.8
spirit_intellect_regen=10.1 (overflow=2.8%)
WFiller_SFIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6484.0
initial_mana=22309.8
innervate=555.3
judgement_of_wisdom=6675.6
mana_potion=4300.0
moonkin_form=40174.9
mp5_regen=6200.6
omen_of_clarity=5465.4
replenishment=16582.0
spirit_intellect_regen=10.2 (overflow=3.2%)
SFFiller_WIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6485.3
initial_mana=22309.8
innervate=447.6
judgement_of_wisdom=6900.4
mana_potion=4300.0
moonkin_form=34074.6
mp5_regen=6203.5
omen_of_clarity=5239.4
replenishment=16585.3
spirit_intellect_regen=30.2 (overflow=6.6%)
SFFiller_SFIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6486.1
initial_mana=22309.8
innervate=436.6
judgement_of_wisdom=6874.8
mana_potion=4300.0
moonkin_form=34167.8
mp5_regen=6203.9
omen_of_clarity=5235.2
replenishment=16588.0
spirit_intellect_regen=34.5 (overflow=5.5%)
Procs:
WFiller_WIdol:
dying_curse=6.2|48.03sec
judgement_of_wisdom=95.5|3.13sec
omen_of_clarity=13.5|22.20sec
WFiller_SFIdol:
dying_curse=6.3|47.73sec
judgement_of_wisdom=95.7|3.13sec
omen_of_clarity=13.4|22.32sec
SFFiller_WIdol:
dying_curse=6.2|48.60sec
judgement_of_wisdom=98.9|3.03sec
omen_of_clarity=11.5|26.07sec
SFFiller_SFIdol:
dying_curse=6.2|48.49sec
judgement_of_wisdom=98.5|3.04sec
omen_of_clarity=11.5|26.04sec
Up-Times:
Global:
100.0% : blood_frenzy
100.0% : improved_scorch
100.0% : improved_shadow_bolt
100.0% : master_poisoner
100.0% : savage_combat
100.0% : totem_of_wrath
100.0% : winters_chill
WFiller_WIdol:
51.8% : eclipse_wrath
76.9% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
WFiller_SFIdol:
51.8% : eclipse_wrath
76.9% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
SFFiller_WIdol:
100.0% : eclipse_wrath
73.1% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
SFFiller_SFIdol:
100.0% : eclipse_wrath
73.3% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
Waiting:
All players active 100% of the time.
Baseline Performance:
TotalEvents = 4040962
MaxEventQueue = 43
SimSeconds = 299910
CpuSeconds = 5.094
SpeedUp = 58875
Swapped gear_crit_rating with gear_haste_rating

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.2 (iterations=1000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1)
DPS Ranking:
24348 100.0% Raid
6128 25.1% WFiller_WIdol
6112 25.1% SFFiller_SFIdol
6076 24.9% WFiller_SFIdol
6066 24.9% SFFiller_WIdol
Player=SFFiller_SFIdol DPS=6112.3 (Error=+/-11.0 Range=+/-601) DPR=21.1 RS=290.4/260.9 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=21.3% penetration=0 haste=11.1% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=21.6% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=14.4%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.1|15.0sec DPE= 9649|11% DPET= 8085 DPR= 36.6 Miss=0.0% TickCount=138 Tick=1404
moonfire Count= 9.9|31.5sec DPE=11215| 6% DPET= 9287 DPR= 16.4 Miss=0.0% Hit= 324 Crit= 678| 745|49.0% TickCount=75 Tick=1411
starfall Count= 3.9|95.2sec DPE=12477| 3% DPET= 9905 DPR= 9.6 Miss=0.0% TickCount=75 Tick=443 CritTick=924|1614|42.7%
starfire Count= 73.0| 4.0sec DPE=10366|41% DPET= 4901 DPR= 20.3 Miss=0.0% Hit=6665 Crit=13943|15934|50.8%
wrath Count= 89.9| 3.1sec DPE= 7159|35% DPET= 6377 DPR= 20.4 Miss=0.0% Hit=4721 Crit= 9862|11393|47.4%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1746| 4% DPET= 1199 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1830 Crit= 3661| 3854|8.0% Glance=1374|23.9% Dodge=6.7%
Player=SFFiller_WIdol DPS=6066.2 (Error=+/-11.4 Range=+/-698) DPR=20.9 RS=290.4/260.8 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=21.3% penetration=0 haste=11.1% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=21.6% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=14.4%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.1|15.0sec DPE= 9643|11% DPET= 8083 DPR= 36.5 Miss=0.0% TickCount=138 Tick=1404
moonfire Count= 9.9|31.5sec DPE=11224| 6% DPET= 9283 DPR= 16.4 Miss=0.0% Hit= 325 Crit= 678| 745|49.3% TickCount=75 Tick=1412
starfall Count= 3.9|95.2sec DPE=12458| 3% DPET= 9869 DPR= 9.5 Miss=0.0% TickCount=75 Tick=443 CritTick=925|1614|42.8%
starfire Count= 72.9| 4.0sec DPE= 9930|40% DPET= 4690 DPR= 19.4 Miss=0.0% Hit=6411 Crit=13398|15401|50.4%
wrath Count= 89.9| 3.1sec DPE= 7368|37% DPET= 6564 DPR= 21.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=4840 Crit=10118|11646|47.9%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1754| 4% DPET= 1204 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1830 Crit= 3662| 3854|8.2% Glance=1372|24.1% Dodge=6.3%
Player=WFiller_SFIdol DPS=6076.4 (Error=+/-9.6 Range=+/-480) DPR=19.2 RS=316.5/287.8 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=21.3% penetration=0 haste=11.1% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=21.6% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=14.4%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.6|14.7sec DPE= 9565|11% DPET= 8059 DPR= 36.1 Miss=0.0% TickCount=140 Tick=1406
moonfire Count= 12.1|25.4sec DPE= 9204| 6% DPET= 7648 DPR= 13.5 Miss=0.0% Hit= 324 Crit= 678| 745|48.8% TickCount=75 Tick=1409
starfall Count= 3.9|95.4sec DPE=12431| 3% DPET= 9934 DPR= 9.6 Miss=0.0% TickCount=74 Tick=443 CritTick=923|1614|42.9%
starfire Count= 25.6|11.3sec DPE=10343|15% DPET= 4830 DPR= 20.2 Miss=0.0% Hit=6691 Crit=13986|15934|50.1%
wrath Count=176.5| 1.6sec DPE= 6360|62% DPET= 5674 DPR= 18.1 Miss=0.0% Hit=4180 Crit= 8738|11393|47.8%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1747| 4% DPET= 1199 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1830 Crit= 3656| 3854|8.1% Glance=1372|23.9% Dodge=6.7%
Player=WFiller_WIdol DPS=6127.7 (Error=+/-9.9 Range=+/-532) DPR=19.4 RS=316.2/286.8 (mana)
Core Stats: strength=94 agility=77 stamina=900 intellect=1034 spirit=395 health=12420 mana=18726
Spell Stats: power=2322 hit=14.0% crit=21.3% penetration=0 haste=11.1% mp5=15
Attack Stats power=-362 hit=8.0% crit=21.6% expertise=0.0 penetration0.0 haste=14.4%
Defense Stats: armor=154
Actions:
insect_swarm Count= 20.6|14.7sec DPE= 9561|11% DPET= 8053 DPR= 36.3 Miss=0.0% TickCount=140 Tick=1406
moonfire Count= 12.1|25.4sec DPE= 9219| 6% DPET= 7657 DPR= 13.6 Miss=0.0% Hit= 324 Crit= 678| 745|48.9% TickCount=75 Tick=1410
starfall Count= 3.9|95.4sec DPE=12383| 3% DPET= 9908 DPR= 9.5 Miss=0.0% TickCount=74 Tick=445 CritTick=915|1614|42.8%
starfire Count= 25.7|11.3sec DPE= 9940|14% DPET= 4642 DPR= 19.4 Miss=0.0% Hit=6427 Crit=13456|15401|50.0%
wrath Count=176.2| 1.6sec DPE= 6509|63% DPET= 5805 DPR= 18.5 Miss=0.0% Hit=4284 Crit= 8966|11646|47.5%
treants
treant_melee Count= 42.0| 1.5sec DPE= 1750| 4% DPET= 1202 DPR= 0.0 Miss=0.0% Hit=1830 Crit= 3660| 3854|8.2% Glance=1372|24.1% Dodge=6.6%
Gains:
WFiller_WIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6434.7 (overflow=1.5%)
initial_mana=22309.8
innervate=12.6
judgement_of_wisdom=6902.5
mana_potion=4287.1
moonkin_form=45465.1
mp5_regen=6160.2 (overflow=1.1%)
omen_of_clarity=5617.3
replenishment=16464.3 (overflow=1.3%)
spirit_intellect_regen=17.6 (overflow=5.4%)
WFiller_SFIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6436.2 (overflow=1.5%)
initial_mana=22309.8
judgement_of_wisdom=6918.4
mana_potion=4287.1
moonkin_form=45756.7
mp5_regen=6162.3 (overflow=1.1%)
omen_of_clarity=5576.0
replenishment=16468.0 (overflow=1.3%)
spirit_intellect_regen=12.5 (overflow=4.3%)
SFFiller_WIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6429.2 (overflow=1.6%)
initial_mana=22309.8
judgement_of_wisdom=7024.7
mana_potion=4295.7
moonkin_form=37566.4
mp5_regen=6160.3 (overflow=1.1%)
omen_of_clarity=5098.6
replenishment=16454.3 (overflow=1.4%)
spirit_intellect_regen=45.2 (overflow=9.1%)
SFFiller_SFIdol:
blessing_of_wisdom=6431.5 (overflow=1.6%)
initial_mana=22309.8
innervate=6.3
judgement_of_wisdom=7039.6
mana_potion=4291.4
moonkin_form=37563.1
mp5_regen=6162.4 (overflow=1.1%)
omen_of_clarity=5169.9
replenishment=16458.7 (overflow=1.4%)
spirit_intellect_regen=43.1 (overflow=8.0%)
Procs:
WFiller_WIdol:
dying_curse=6.2|47.94sec
judgement_of_wisdom=99.1|3.02sec
omen_of_clarity=13.8|21.71sec
WFiller_SFIdol:
dying_curse=6.3|47.74sec
judgement_of_wisdom=99.3|3.01sec
omen_of_clarity=13.6|21.94sec
SFFiller_WIdol:
dying_curse=6.2|48.22sec
judgement_of_wisdom=100.9|2.96sec
omen_of_clarity=11.3|26.56sec
SFFiller_SFIdol:
dying_curse=6.2|48.37sec
judgement_of_wisdom=101.0|2.96sec
omen_of_clarity=11.4|26.24sec
Up-Times:
Global:
100.0% : blood_frenzy
100.0% : improved_scorch
100.0% : improved_shadow_bolt
100.0% : master_poisoner
100.0% : savage_combat
100.0% : totem_of_wrath
100.0% : winters_chill
WFiller_WIdol:
50.4% : eclipse_wrath
81.2% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
WFiller_SFIdol:
50.3% : eclipse_wrath
81.4% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
SFFiller_WIdol:
100.0% : eclipse_wrath
77.7% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
SFFiller_SFIdol:
100.0% : eclipse_wrath
77.9% : natures_grace
100.0% : replenishment
Waiting:
All players active 100% of the time.
Baseline Performance:
TotalEvents = 4074018
MaxEventQueue = 43
SimSeconds = 299385
CpuSeconds = 5.031
SpeedUp = 59508
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Hello.
Light the fuse.
For all my homies.
Do not run, we are your friends.
SimulationCraft Druid Guy
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05/06/09, 6:03 PM
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#1198
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Windrunner
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I don't see any Eclipse calculations in that. Does that make it null considering SF should scale better with haste just out of common sense when you have a 30%(45% 2pct8) more crit chance it should not be scaling better with crit. Or am I missing the calculation for it?
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05/07/09, 10:11 AM
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#1199
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Hellfire (EU)
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So i got 4th piece of t8.5 yday. Had some tests on Iron Council, Koloarn, Auriya and some dummies after the raid. It is indeed true that proc doesnt have internal cooldown and it is being eaten by a starfire cast if it procs while casting. So in my opinion with current (buggy) situation to get most benefit from the proc you have to use solar rotation, and spamming wrath during eclipse cd, that maximises Insect swarm uptime and makes proc not get eaten by starfire cast, since 80% of the rotation your spamming wraths.
Rotation i used :
Moonfire --> Starfire (untill sclipse procs) --> IS --> Wrath (untill eclipse is over) --> Moonfire --> IS --> Wrath (untill eclipse has ~4sec cd left), note that you still make use of glyph of starfire in this rotation, althought the total moonfire uptime is drastically reduced. Throwing off instant starfires as soon as it proced is important to prevent buff selfrefreshing, in my opnion this is dps gain even under eclipse effect.
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05/07/09, 11:11 AM
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#1200
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Genjuros (EU)
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Since there is no internal cooldown there is no reason not to use IS from the beginning.
Last edited by spartakos : 05/08/09 at 5:03 AM.
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