Moonkin Raiding - Page 89

Poromu · 05/21/09, 12:27 AM

The regen talents still seem to follow the rule of thumb for Moonkins. OoC > Intensity > Dreamstate > Moonglow. To be honest though, I find it hard that anyone would need any but OoC with the new Innervate.

Zifrelm · 05/21/09, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Poromu

The regen talents still seem to follow the rule of thumb for Moonkins. OoC > Intensity > Dreamstate > Moonglow. To be honest though, I find it hard that anyone would need any but OoC with the new Innervate.

I generally save my Innervate for healers.

Burasuka · 05/21/09, 2:43 AM

What exactly gives Balance of Power and Improved Faerie Fire concerning hit rating? Does it mean that i get almost constant +7% buff to hit? Would it mean that i need very little HR from gear?

Poromu · 05/21/09, 4:06 AM

http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t59457-m...dated_3_1_2_a/
Has answers to all basic questions reguarding Balance.

Hit cap is 263 (237 for Alliance with a Draenei in their group). To answer your question.
To further in depth it - 236 the tooltip will say 9% but it's actually slightly less, but the difference is so miniscule you'll probably miss once in your raid lockout.

Nurulwai · 05/21/09, 5:17 AM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Ok, I've put in a whole bunch of time modeling Eclipse/DoT rotations over the past few days. Current findings are basically contained in my modified version of WrathCalcs, posted here: WrathCalcs - Moonkin DPS Spreadsheet

I have an addon that pretty much does spreadsheet-style calculation of damage live in-game, reporting the DPS of the nukes and dots, and estimating solar/lunar eclipse damage.

The relevant bit is the way it calculates dot damage during eclipse. It multiplies the dot DPS by the remaining eclipse duration, adds the damage that would gained from IIS, and returns that as the DPS. If the MF/IS number is higher than that of the eclipse-buffed nuke - generally only in the first few seconds of a proc - then it's worth using.

It's somewhat inaccurate as the total dot damage is not properly represented but an eclipse proc is pretty much it's own special case. Would an approach to dot recasting such as that be worth adding into your spreadsheet?

markos82 · 05/21/09, 12:23 PM

Well with this new patch and T8 set druids are kinda oriented in a different way. Why do i think that. Well almost all T8 gear set items dont have crit strike rating on, so we are losing much crit strike chance. But whut additional spirit on gear ( 216 total fot 5set bonus, that gives use some 65Sp more ). So eclipse is now kinda difficult to chose. I really can't decide should i go to solar and lunar eclipse. With 2set bonus that is. With Eclipse proc from SF im doing about 11-11.5K crits with wrath and proc from wrath ( lunar ) im doing about 15K crits. In Ulduar you need to move a lot on boss fights and some constantly increase your casting time ( Mimi ) so i think solar eclipse is better ( 1.2sec cast, almost 2x shorter then SF ) but well im also not sure about it. With 4set bonus and a chance to get instant SF well ill go for lunar but atm im not sure.

Quewatoka · 05/21/09, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler

The reason we increased the proc chance from 5% to 15% is because of the issue where you can lose the proc on an existing Starfire. For a number of technical reasons, we can't apply the proc to a spell already being cast.

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Ouch.

Atheril92 · 05/21/09, 3:22 PM

Wow... would it be possible for someone to start now developing an addon which will stopcast when it procs? (if it's possible)

I believe there needs to be a petition =/

UNKNOWNCRIPPLE · 05/21/09, 3:25 PM

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klüger · 05/21/09, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by Quewatoka

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Ouch.

so we get a 4pc that basically heavily will favor solar?

Better buy a powerball before my finger falls off...

Can some US guys post about the nightfall simile? Just on the way way offchance they for some reason haven't tried that

Originally Posted by UNKNOWNCRIPPLE

I am torn on whether or not to Socket [Robes of the Umbral Brute] with a [Runed Scarlet Ruby] or a [Purified Twilight Opal]. Obviously more SP with the ruby, and it seems like socketing to get the Bonus would be wasteful.

runed scarlet unless +5 dmg bonus is the best blue-socket you have.

Also, why do all these inane basic questions manage to miss BOTH simple q's/a's AND the moonkin for dummies?

• Hamlet · 05/21/09, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by Atheril92

Wow... would it be possible for someone to start now developing an addon which will stopcast when it procs? (if it's possible)

It's not possible, and how would this help anyway?

klüger · 05/21/09, 3:40 PM

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thedopefishlives · 05/21/09, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Quewatoka

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Ouch.

As for the last part of GC's statement, I think it's saying that it can't make the currently cast Starfire instant, which isn't even what we want. We want the next Starfire to be instant, ala Nightfall, which is obviously doable. I don't see how upping the proc rate to 15% is supposed to help negate that issue.

Poromu · 05/21/09, 4:06 PM

Looks like that arguement is finally settled. No consistent usage of the proc just makes the 4 peice worthless.

I see what you got from GC's post - but it still seems like a; "We're not going to bother with this."

Eilt · 05/21/09, 4:06 PM

Originally Posted by thedopefishlives

As for the last part of GC's statement, I think it's saying that it can't make the currently cast Starfire instant, which isn't even what we want. We want the next Starfire to be instant, ala Nightfall, which is obviously doable. I don't see how upping the proc rate to 15% is supposed to help negate that issue.

Exactly what I got from reading it, no one is asking for our current spellcast to be instant. We just do not want it to eat the buff until the start of the next cast, which is exactly what Nightfall does for Shadow Bolt. Increasing the proc chance (even to 15%) and leaving it in this broken state will seriously devalue the 4pc....Especially for any lunar rotation where you spend 70-80% of your time casting SF meaning the vast majority of procs will be used and no instant starfire would ever get cast....