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Old 05/26/09, 11:53 PM   #1411
Kha
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Night Elf Druid
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
So then presumably the right rotation is Solar Eclipse with no DoT's and no other spells (except FoN)?
I'd stick to starfire spam as well as the 4p t7 bonus (if the rest of your gear compensates for lower mana pool), wrath under a solar eclipse with t8 2p bonus isn't worth it if you consider the time spent clipping wraths could be an extra 1 or 2 starfires in a shadow crash.

FoN is worth about ~30k untalented on this fight so it's still worthwhile.
Probably want to stick iFF on it as well.

Originally Posted by Felform View Post
having killed vezax a couple of times in both normal and heroic modes ive found the best rotation is to simply not have one
spam starfire 100% of the time, doing anything else is sadly just too mana consuming

go all out until you are about 13k mana left and start conserving and only keeping up earth and moon
after animus is down you have to resort to restraining yourself for only earth and moon uptime or call for a soulstone
Wouldn't it be more worthwhile to have a warlock keeping CoE up seeing as it lasts 5 minutes if you don't have an unholy DK? Does E&M overwrite CoE?

Last edited by Kha : 05/26/09 at 11:59 PM.

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Old 05/27/09, 12:12 AM   #1412
Poromu
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Windrunner
Pretty sure locks use doom or agony.

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Old 05/27/09, 12:42 AM   #1413
Kha
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Night Elf Druid
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Poromu View Post
Pretty sure locks use doom or agony.
Best case scenario, yes but when you can't ensure a debuff uptime on a target, better for raid dps.
Anyway, sidetracking!

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Old 05/27/09, 2:54 AM   #1414
Cynex
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Night Elf Druid
 
Hellfire (EU)
Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
So then presumably the right rotation is Solar Eclipse with no DoT's and no other spells (except FoN)?
Last week we tried vezax hardmode for the first time, i went for a starfire spam first couple of tries, and found myself in a big mana troubles, althought i was top damage done. I spammed starfire for an interest non stop in shadow crashes, and was on 127 mana when add spawned.

If i do think right then you should be around 35-40% mana when add spawns to put out maximum dps on him (starfire spam ignoring eclipse). It is all about finishing add asap, as melee should be able to finish off vezax after.

For Vezax before Animus im going with wrath spam, and starfire to proc eclipse only, ignoring dots but using iFF and FoN, althought keeping an eye for mana and stopping if things look bad, as add dps is most important, it is an insta wipe if you dont have enough .

Last edited by Cynex : 05/27/09 at 3:14 AM.

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Old 05/27/09, 2:56 AM   #1415
Poromu
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Windrunner
Tested this out, E&M doesn't overwrite CoE. But as far as keeping the debuff up if you're having mana issues you can probably get by just hitting a starfire every so often to maintain uptime rather than having locks miss out on dps. Especially since after a few attempts you can probably gauge how your mana will look after the Animus spawns/dies.

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Old 05/27/09, 9:15 AM   #1416
Cloudshatter
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Taken from mmo-champion:

World of Warcraft Client Patch 3.1.3

Druid Tier 8 Balance Set: The 4-piece bonus no longer has its effect consumed by Starfire casts in progress when it triggers. The chance for the effect to be triggered has been reduced down to 8%, as it was originally inflated to compensate.
I think this solves quite some issues, doesn't it?

Cloud

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Old 05/27/09, 12:47 PM   #1417
Cynex
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Hellfire (EU)
Originally Posted by Cloudshatter View Post
Taken from mmo-champion:



I think this solves quite some issues, doesn't it?

Cloud
It should buff lunar eclipse. Bet they didnt want to fix the *bug* because they want both eclipses to be about the same dps, but they cant find a way to do it.

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Old 05/27/09, 12:50 PM   #1418
 Adoriele
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Dragonblight
Originally Posted by Cynex View Post
It should buff lunar eclipse. Bet they didnt want to fix the *bug* because they want both eclipses to be about the same dps, but they cant find a way to do it.
GC explicitly stated that they did not want to "fix" the "bug" because it would introduce complicated code to the Starfire spell that would only be useful for a few months, but would have to be maintained for the life of the game.

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Old 05/27/09, 1:32 PM   #1419
Nowell
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Night Elf Druid
 
Emerald Dream
So with the upcoming fix for the 4 piece T8, is stacking haste the way to go?

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Old 05/27/09, 2:23 PM   #1420
Numeno
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Tauren Druid
 
Illidan
Originally Posted by Nowell View Post
So with the upcoming fix for the 4 piece T8, is stacking haste the way to go?
I don't think so. Instant starfires will run into the same thing wrath runs into. Its relatively easy to get to the 1sec cap on wrath and this would affect instant starfires as well. Haste still remains a decent Lunar stat, but anything above 400 has a good chance of being useless on these procs.

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Old 05/27/09, 5:10 PM   #1421
 Hamlet
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Originally Posted by Numeno View Post
I don't think so. Instant starfires will run into the same thing wrath runs into. Its relatively easy to get to the 1sec cap on wrath and this would affect instant starfires as well. Haste still remains a decent Lunar stat, but anything above 400 has a good chance of being useless on these procs.
I don't foresee Haste becoming noticeably less valuable when 4T8 is live. Given that the proc will only be happening once every 25-30 seconds, there doesn't seem to be much basis for your assertion that it will have some large effect.


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Old 05/28/09, 1:01 AM   #1422
Ainur
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Tauren Druid
 
Argent Dawn
Originally Posted by Adoriele View Post
GC explicitly stated that they did not want to "fix" the "bug" because it would introduce complicated code to the Starfire spell that would only be useful for a few months, but would have to be maintained for the life of the game.
The obvious answer to this is to make this ability a talent in the next expansion, like they already have done with some previous set bonuses.

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Old 05/28/09, 3:08 AM   #1423
Cloudshatter
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Originally Posted by Ainur View Post
The obvious answer to this is to make this ability a talent in the next expansion, like they already have done with some previous set bonuses.
... like we don't have enough procs to watch.

Last edited by Cloudshatter : 05/28/09 at 3:15 AM.

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Old 05/28/09, 3:48 AM   #1424
LeGi
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Why do you have to watch this proc?

In a Lunarrotation you spam Starfire while Eclipse and Eclipse CD. While you want to proc your next Eclipse I would ignore the proc if it occurs.

The only thing i start testing next days is if its worth to keep IS up 100% of the time.

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Old 05/28/09, 4:42 AM   #1425
Poromu
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Windrunner
I still think not refreshing IS in the last 5-6 seconds of Eclipse is still a valid view, perhaps this could be different if you're doing a Solar Eclipse rotation.

I am curious to see some of your guys UI's and perhaps any specific addons you might use to track Eclipse, DoT's or just basic look and functionality. I'm kind of leary to start a UI thread since I have only really been super active on these boards since WotLK, prior to that I just read the Resto threads. It's an odd request since I am pretty sure the majority of us use Squawk and Awe and I thank Adorielle for that but I find i'm still curious.

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