Since my guild has two boomkins, Ive decided to re-spec taking imp IS over imp FF, as its just a waste of mana and good points for each of us to have imp FF. We just keep overriding each other and it wastes time. It Also makes the cast cycle more complicated but i enjoy it a lot more, and I can push out more dps then I could with imp ff. I just have to watch for Eclipse to proc and then either tap on the moonfire or the IS and go from there. coupled this spec with a starfire rotation, the starfire glyph and (hopefully soon) the Idol from instructor, Its a very nice with a starfire based rotation. But i was wondering if I should also take the moonfire glyph, which will nerf the moonfire for pvp, but makes it nice for pve. Any thoughts?

Yea that's exactly what I was thinking. Prices do differ server to server, but it seems for at least the start of the season its a good idea. thank you. Its more usefull then Dash Glyph anyways!

Regarding the whole IIS vs IFF discussion. I was wondering if maybe it wouldn't be worth to invest in both of them? This would be a spec proposal:
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I took 2 points from Genesis (this wouldn't seem any great loss) and 1 from Eclipse. However, I am wondering how 2/3 eclipse works with proccing lunar eclipse on which I base my current rotation.

Well if there is no sp in the raid, iFF is by far a greater dps increase, both for personal and raid dps. But as a pure crit increase i dont think that it will make a difference at mycurrent crit levels. With my current gear i getting around a 42% critchance with wrath, and i havent found myself having any issues getting eclipse from wrath at these levels.

However this is just my oppinion, and it also depends on what rotation you use. Im using atm SF+MF, switching to wrath when eclipse is off cooldown and using IS before wrath spam and it is down to those casts in between eclipse cd's that 3%crit vs 3%damage comes down to. Im guessing that the difference between the 2 at that level is quite small, small enough to suggest that at these levels its more of a matter of flipping a coin to determin which is superior. Cause if that 3% extra crit gets you an eclipse from the 1st wrath you fire it is a massive damage increase, if you get a crit for a possible extra wrath after eclipse goes off then the damage increase is prolly more in favour.

Iv always been going with the assumption that FFF doesnt work with iFF since i havent seen anyone prove the opposite, so ill have to think this over more. But this also opens up a new topic: comparing iFF or iSS with brambles or owlkin frenzy

I have a quick question....

What level were you at the time of testing? Stats in your character sheet are based off of fighting someone at an equal level, So if you had ~9% to crit and the lock had 9% resil at level 70 those are different.

Pretty much every stat was halved leveling from 70-80, so 9% reduction from resil at 70 is probably only 4.5% reduction against a level 80.

To really test this you need two level 80 chars, one with a X amount of crit and someone with resilience > X but less than X + 3.

To provide an exaple with numbers, if you have 9% crit, to be safe the lock should have 10% resil, that way FF will give you 13% to crit and you can prove that you overcame resil with FFF.

However you need another sample proving that you will NOT crit without FFF on the target, and anything less than about 1000 spell casts is too small a sample size to really say that you will not crit. (Even 1000 casts may be too small for that matter).

At least, this is my understanding of it.

Yes, I was level 80 (the lock was, unfortunately, the only char with any resilience I had available for testing). This is one of the concerns I have about the test.

My understanding is that resilience rating is converted to resilience based purely on the wearers' level, and the attacker's level is irrelevant. I have never heard of nor am I able to find now any reference to resilience being reduced against a higher level attacker.

There is a mechanic where level 70s take more crits from level 80s, which might be where you're getting your ideas. Physical crit chance are based off of weapon skill vs defense and resilience, so a level 80 does have increased chance to crit against a level 70. I am unaware of, and unable to find now any reference to any mechanic by which spell crit chance is affected by the combatants' relative levels.

I agree that the test would be much stronger if it included many non-crit casts on a target without faerie fire. Unfortunately, without knowing the specifics of the mechanics you suggest, it would be hard to come up with any sort of confidence level. If the warlock has 10% resilience and I am at 9.6% crit, then I'm (obviously) at -0.4% base crit. If the resilience mechanic you suggest would give me an extra 5% crit against a level 70 target (for a total of 4.6%), then I would need a much smaller sample size to gain confidence in the result than if the mechanic were to give me an extra 0.5% crit (for a total of 0.1%). 1000 trials with 0 crits would have a 1/10^22 chance of failing in the former case, and a 36% chance of failing in the latter. This argument applies to any hidden mechanics we might be worried about that would lead us to attempt a test with 1000+ trials.

I would be very interested in any contradictory test results or corrections to my (very possibly incorrect) understanding of the mechanics involved.

If you happen to be the only balance druid in the raid I don't see why not. But when you have two booms in almost every raid, its a waste for one to have both, as they just keep over-writing each other. They won't stack.

Okay so.

Are people still advocating the wrath spam until eclipse proc then starfire spam rotation? Of course, with IS and IFF and MF thrown in as needed. I've been using the standard starfire to wrath eclipse rotation, and it works well and doesn't cost me nearly any mana. If I swap to wrath spam till starfire eclipse, will my dps increase? I haven't had a chance to test it. Any thoughts?

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Try it. If your DPS goes up, hurray! If it doesn't, boo.

Well since apparently someone felt I was an idiot for asking what people are advocating for eclipse specs, please ignore my very very stupid question. I'm sure nobody here has any idea whether a wrath > starfire rotation or starfire > wrath rotation is better.

So asking if there is new information is apparently out of line? These posts go a ways back and yes, I have read through them. I apparently don't need anything from this forum, so thanks for nothing.