The combinatin of Dying Curse and Leggings of Mortal Arrogance yields better dps in my comparisons. When you insist on the wanton spellcaster legs you are right and a hit trinket is not making sense.

Same goes for Cincture of Polarity and Leash of Heedless Magic.

Yeah, the other Darkmoon Card is very nice too (100 spellpower and 1200mana on a 5 min cooldown) but they're actually really hard to get. You have to have Darkmoon Card of the North - Spell - World of Warcraft crafted. Then *HOPE* your card pops out.

Dukes and Stapedius both hit on points i've been looking into.

As Duke mentioned with hit I am looking to, and hopeing, get itemized over hit so I can drop a BoP point and pickup some brambles or even Starfall. Might shave off a point from a regen talent for 2/2 gale winds.

To staps point. I've looked at my 4pc+1non set choices and Leggings of Mortal Arrogance + 4pc appears to be the best.
unless I've added something incorrectly it looks like this:

This is gemming for the socket bonus with Red +sp, Purple +sp/+spi.
4PC+LoMA
INT- 347
Sta- 347
Spi- 122
SP- 582
Crit- 259
Haste- 122
Hit- 77
Socket- 1m5r2b

Hood of Rationality +4pc

INT- 328
Sta- 364
Spi- 181
SP- 587
Crit- 253
Haste- 122
Hit- 41
Socket- 1m4r3b
* in this stat line up i socketed 1 blue with +SP since the socket bonus was junk.

Mantle of the Eternal Sentinel +4pc
INT- 340
Sta- 333
Spi- 112
SP- 560
Crit- 315
Haste- 99
Hit- 48
Socket- 1m4r2b


OK, ninja edit with the Wanton vs LoMA comparison.
All gems are to match sets. Reds are +sp, Blue are Purple +sp/+spi.

Wanton+4pc
INT- 360
Sta- 341
Spi- 43
SP- 570
Crit- 196
Haste- 188
Hit- 159
Socket- 1m4r1b

Wanton compared to LoMA
INT- +13
Sta- -6
Spi- -79
SP- -12
Crit- -63
Haste- +66
Hit- +82

So my initial kneejerk was incorrect. Quite interesting results. The Wanton has approx 3% more hit on it. That would make it easy to shift out 1 point of BoP, in comparison. If the rest of the pieces of the total set were to carry hit over another 26hit you would be able to forgo all points in BoP. interesting. The other option is the Wanton allows you to forgo IFF completely and even if a spriest isn't in the raid you have not lost any DPS. This would allow to use best in slot trinkets as well. If I were to have this set I would probably use Embrace of the Spider and Sundial if a shadowpriest was in the raid. If no shadow priest was in the raid then Dying Curse and Sundial.

Has anyone ground out some stat weights, don't think I've found a table in my cruising. Also Pre-BC I remember finding a blogger that put up some math on when exactly when haste and spell power became more valuable. I'm unsure how this would have changed @80.

All things considering it appears that Wanton might in fact be a better choice in the end. The regen from spirit will be lost and the lose of 12 spellpower is easy made up with the 66 haste. The one debate I have is the crit. Eclipse has made me think about crit abit more. dont want to go out of my way to snag it all but dont want to neglect it. So the big toss up is Wanton may be more pure DPS and LoMA is at regen. Would the gained talent points from BoP just have to go into regen talents? is it just a wash then? food for thought and ideas for the crunchbot.

The link to the haste vs spell damage: Gray Matter: Spell Damage vs Spell Haste (for Moonkin)

*note* this go abit away from the point of the thread but cant really see anywhere else to put it.

[Valorous Dreamwalker Cover] - Kel'thuzad
[Wyrmrest Necklace of Power] - Sapphiron
[Valorous Dreamwalker Mantle] - Loatheb, Glyth, 25man badges
[Pennant Cloak] - Sartharion (2 adds+)
[Valorous Dreamwalker Vestments] - 4horsemen, Glyth
[Unsullied Cuffs] - Sartharion (2 adds+)
[Torch of Holy Fire] - Kel'thuzad
[Surplus Limb] - Grobbulus
[Idol of the Shooting Star] - Razuvious
[Valorous Dreamwalker Gloves] - Sartharion (0 adds+)
[Leash of Heedless Magic] - Malygos
[Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster] - Malygos
[Footsteps of Malygos] - Malygos 10man.
[Band of Channeled Magic] - 25man badges
[Signet of Manifested Pain] - Kel'thuzad
[Dying Curse] - Naxx 25, various bosses.
[Illustration of the Dragon Soul] - Sartharion (0 adds+)

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Is roughly what I'm aiming at.
That provides 10.01% hit if you include Icewalker boot enchant.

Im alliance though, so I might end up taking hit bracers ([Bindings of the Expansive Mind]), boots ([Boots of Impetuous Ideals] or belt ([Cincture of Polarity]) to drop 1 point in Balance of Power.
Another alternative would be to swap [Surplus Limb] out for either [Accursed Spine] or [Matriarch's Spawn]

If you are using a casting rotation based on Starfire, the Starfire Idol is better. For Wrath-based rotations, Wrath Idol. Which rotation to use is something to read up on in the other threads.

To accurately decide which idol to use, [Idol of the Shooting Star] or [Idol of Steadfast Renewal], all you simply have to do is look at your WWS or recount of how many counts of Starfire and Wrath you have in whatever rotation you choose to use over a span of multiple bosses, then you use that information to determine which ability benefits more from the amount of hits they have(not necessarily hinting that the higher count means better). Depending on stats, people will have different counts of each ability so it's hard to say which Idol is truly best, but you can definitely determine for your own druid.

We know that haste can lower the GCD down to 1.0s, but does this also affect the weapon-swap triggered gcd? I was wondering if it could be worth it to switch these idols during the fight depending on what spell is being cast.

[Idol of the Unseen Moon] could be macro'd with Moonfire, [Idol of the Shooting Star] with Starfire, and [Idol of Steadfast Renewal] with Wrath. I just wonder if using macros to equip them at the same time as the cast would apply the appropriate buffs.

/cast Moonfire
/equip Idol of the Unseen Moon

/cast Starfire
/equip Idol of the Shooting Star

/cast Wrath
/equip Idol of Steadfast Renewal

1) Weapon Swaps are on a fixed 1.5s cooldown, unaffected by haste.
Also, when I used them in a macro "instant spell + swap", I got two global cooldowns on my screen/action bars.

The first GCD from the spell when I pressed the button client-side.
The second GCD from the swap after the weapon swap registered server-side and came back.
That second GCD usually started some 100ms after the first GCD started, so you lose quite some time on swaps actually.

2) "Cannot do this while casting." That's what I got for weapon swaps while casting in combat at least.

In 2.4 they made swaps cancel cast spells (but not channeled spells).
In 3.0 they changed to to simply disabling swaps while casting or channeling.

What I would like to know is, stats on Tears of Bitter Anguish, along with the Darkmoon Fair cards. Alot of BoE trinket are turning up on the AH, and not everyone can get into Naxx every other night, so what are some alternatives for people.

I was under the impression that Tears of Bitter Anguish wasn't currently proccing for casters, so that's something to keep in mind, at least.

Pre-raid trinket options: (in no particular order)

[Sundial of the Exiled] - I just can't believe they got a badge item so RIGHT. This is third-best-in-slot, and undoubtedly the best pre-raid trinket you can get.
[Thunder Capacitor] - Sure, it has no stats, but just like the original Lightning Capacitor, the proc is pretty nice. A Wrath-firing crit chicken should see this one going off frequently.
[Forge Ember] (H-Halls of Stone)
[Pendulum of Telluric Currents] (H-Oculus)
[Darkmoon Card: Illusion] - The 100 spell power is potent, even if the proc does absolutely zero for DPS.
[Tome of Arcane Phenomena] (Oculus)
[Mark of the War Prisoner] (H-Violet Hold)

If all else fails, [The Egg of Mortal Essence] is also a decent option, even though the proc is again mostly worthless for a DPS caster.