Cat DPS Rotation - Page 13

coldbear · 12/21/08, 2:02 PM

Would you Clearcast an FB if you had TF available?

Pzychotix · 12/21/08, 2:31 PM

No. I'd be spending the Clearcast on a shred anyways.

Due to GCD, it's impossible to spend 0 energy on a FB, so really, you're going to spend a good chunk of energy on FB regardless of Clearcasting or not.

a civilian · 12/21/08, 4:08 PM

Originally Posted by Windchilla

You always want to Clearcast a Shred, regardless of talent spec. What you never want to do is Clearcast a Rake or a Rip. Those abilities are massively energy efficient, so it doesn't help much to have them applied free. Even at 5 combo points I'll use a Shred during Clearcasting rather than a finisher.

Some math on this. By clearcasting a shred instead of a rip at 5 cp, you are exchanging 1.5 combo points for 12 energy (assuming 50% crit chance). For this to be worthwhile, a combo point must be worth less than 8 energy. Using the assumptions from my previous post, one combo point is worth 8.37 energy assuming extra cp can be dumped into rip. However, if extra cp must be dumped into ferocious bite, then the value of a combo point drops down to 3-4 energy. Since realistically some large fraction of excess combo points must be dumped into ferocious bite, the value of a combo point is well below 8 energy so it is indeed correct to clearcast shred over rip.

This assumed best possible gear and buffs. As attack power and critical strike chance go down, the value of combo points relative to energy goes up so this conclusion may not hold at lower gear levels.

edit:

Originally Posted by coldbear

Hitherto I've only really focused on combo pts, TF at low energy, and keeping up SR/Mangle/Rake/Rip - then Berserk during Heroism or during bossfightgimmickextradps X, Y or Z. Thinking about putting the Clearcasting proc icon right smack in the center of my screen where I track SR and my debuffs.

Don't save berserk for heroism/bloodlust unless you're trying to stack the two effects with a third (like a trinket). The only interaction between heroism and berserk is that heroism yields more omen of clarity procs, which could result in being unable to spend all your energy during berserk.

Pzychotix · 12/23/08, 7:13 AM

Originally Posted by Carpone

Anyone aware of a simplified personal combat recount addon for feral dps (aka "Cat Fight") that tracks things like:

* Rip: uptime %, your damage done %, and overlap (reapplied bleed before it ended)
* Rake: uptime %, your damage done % and overlap
* Mangle: uptime %, your damage done % and overlap
* Savage Roar: uptime % and overlap
* Shred: your damage done%
* Ferocious Bite: damage done%
* What specials OoC procs were used on
* Amount of time target didn't have FFF
* DPS

Graphical component optional. I'd be happy with text output once combat dropped.

It's one thing to practice on a target dummy. I'd like to see the actual results from each fight to see how well (or poorly) I really did so I know how to adjust next time. Recount isn't an option as it causes way too much lag and doesn't centralize the info I want. WWS doesn't centralize the info I want, doesn't offer all the details I want and I'd prefer to not run external programs.

Well, I took this as inspiration to learn Lua for once and for all.

CatFight - Addons - Curse

At the moment, it should do the trick for uptime and overlap %. It'll text output once combat ends. Let me know if you find any problems, but it worked for me on target dummies.

Note: Uptime for a debuff on multiple mobs at once won't be tracked correctly.

Neversage · 12/23/08, 12:03 PM

If it's on easy stuff like heroics I'll sometimes use FB with clearcasting and 5CP just to see those nice big numbers and make everyone in vent O_O

But for the best damage output, you're way better off with Shred.

Some very rough math:

Let's assume my 5cp, 100enrg FB crits a boss for 10k. Add clearcasting and it's around 12k, so I blow my CC and full cp/enrg for an xtra 2k dmg.

OR

I shred, which crits for around 6k then I do my non-cc, half enrg FB which crits for around 9k. Shred gets me twice the dmg output that FB does in this scenario. Even if Shred doesn't crit, it still breaks even or better.

These numbers are not exact by any means, but the mechanic is pretty clear. FB is fun, but Shred gets more mileage off clearcasting procs.

coldbear · 12/23/08, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Pzychotix

CatFight - Addons - Curse

On behalf of Ferals all over the world, THANK YOU. I'll be evaluating as soon as the servers are back up. Here's to hoping there is or will eventually be an easy way to turn on/off or maybe set it to only spam your chat on bosses or on raid-bosses.

Darbaramat · 12/23/08, 1:23 PM

Toskk,
On the DPS Calculator Attack Power box, do we use our Savage Roared AP or our character sheet AP? (basically raid buffed before we pull the boss stats)

Windchilla · 12/23/08, 1:33 PM

Originally Posted by Darbaramat

Toskk,
On the DPS Calculator Attack Power box, do we use our Savage Roared AP or our character sheet AP? (basically raid buffed before we pull the boss stats)

The Attack Power box is your Attack Power when fully raid buffed without Savage Roar.

Pzychotix · 12/23/08, 6:28 PM

Originally Posted by coldbear

On behalf of Ferals all over the world, THANK YOU. I'll be evaluating as soon as the servers are back up. Here's to hoping there is or will eventually be an easy way to turn on/off or maybe set it to only spam your chat on bosses or on raid-bosses.

Hahah, well like I said, it's my first time working with lua, so I just went with what was easiest to do. I'll probably move to changing it to bars, or perhaps only outputting upon doing a slash command.

DeadDream · 12/24/08, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by Pzychotix

Hahah, well like I said, it's my first time working with lua, so I just went with what was easiest to do. I'll probably move to changing it to bars, or perhaps only outputting upon doing a slash command.

Is it anyhow possible to add a localization? or at least to point me what to chang in .lua file?

Pzychotix · 12/24/08, 2:06 PM

Wouldn't know about adding localizations, but if you want to change the text of the output, look in lines 106-115. That's pretty much where all the output lies.

DeadDream · 12/24/08, 2:43 PM

Well, im russian, so all my abilities are russian. For example Savage roar is called "Дикий Pев". Tried to change the appropriate buff name to russian, but it did nothing. After fight output showed 0 uptime for all buffs and debuffs.

david0925 · 12/24/08, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by Neversage

If it's on easy stuff like heroics I'll sometimes use FB with clearcasting and 5CP just to see those nice big numbers and make everyone in vent O_O

But for the best damage output, you're way better off with Shred.

Some very rough math:

Let's assume my 5cp, 100enrg FB crits a boss for 10k. Add clearcasting and it's around 12k, so I blow my CC and full cp/enrg for an xtra 2k dmg.

OR

I shred, which crits for around 6k then I do my non-cc, half enrg FB which crits for around 9k. Shred gets me twice the dmg output that FB does in this scenario. Even if Shred doesn't crit, it still breaks even or better.

These numbers are not exact by any means, but the mechanic is pretty clear. FB is fun, but Shred gets more mileage off clearcasting procs.

This is not a fair comparison because you're throwing in a scenario which heavily favors Shred over FB. Even without the Clearcasting proc here, noone in their right mind will use FB at 100 energy anyway. I would personally use shred just because FB is a very situational ability even with a proper rotation (SR and Rip will precede it), however I guess in the perfect world (0 energy left, 5 combo points built, etc) you'll have a case to use FB.

Pzychotix · 12/24/08, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by DeadDream

Well, im russian, so all my abilities are russian. For example Savage roar is called "Дикий Pев". Tried to change the appropriate buff name to russian, but it did nothing. After fight output showed 0 uptime for all buffs and debuffs.

Ah, then you'd have to change a lot more stuff within the code. At the moment, all the checks are hardcoded, so it'd be quite a hassle to individually change each ability name.

I'm working on making it less hardcoded (and more expandable to include whatever users want to track), but probably won't get another release out for a couple days, what with Christmas upon us and all.

DeadDream · 12/24/08, 7:20 PM

Originally Posted by DeadDream

Well, im russian, so all my abilities are russian. For example Savage roar is called "Дикий Pев". Tried to change the appropriate buff name to russian, but it did nothing. After fight output showed 0 uptime for all buffs and debuffs.

Never mind. No need for localization. Solved a problem with replacing the name of the spell in lines
with the appropriate GetSpellInfo(ID). All GetSpellInfo(ID) got from my beloved ClassTimer addon =P

Just in case you need em - here they are (just feral stuff)

GetSpellInfo(50322), --Survival Instincts
GetSpellInfo(52610), -- Savage Roar
GetSpellInfo(5211), -- Bash
GetSpellInfo(5211), -- Dash
GetSpellInfo(99), -- Demoralizing Roar
GetSpellInfo(5229), -- Enrage
GetSpellInfo(22842), -- Frenzied Regeneration
GetSpellInfo(33745), -- Lacerate
GetSpellInfo(22570), -- Maim
GetSpellInfo(9007), -- Pounce Bleed
GetSpellInfo(1822), -- Rake
GetSpellInfo(1079), -- Rip
GetSpellInfo(58181), -- Infected Wounds
GetSpellInfo(50334), -- Berserk
GetSpellInfo(16857), -- Faerie Fire (Feral)
GetSpellInfo(16979), -- Feral Charge - Bear
GetSpellInfo(33878), -- Mangle (Bear)
GetSpellInfo(33876), -- Mangle (Cat)