4.5K autoattacks and 20k shreds seem odd to me.

In reply to everyone else about my issues: About what DPS are you averaging on the lvl83 dummy? In addition, what is the expected percentage of glancing blows on a lvl80 mob? You all are correct in that being the 83 dummy so my bad there. Perhaps I'm overlooking something but several guildmates of mine were hanging out the first day the patch came out, and I was definitely doing 4.5k to 5k DPS on the level 83 dummy. Now, as I said, I have to pay attention to get 3.8.

There should not be any glancing blows against lvl80 mobs.

Those massive hits/crits would be from attacking the Heart, not the actual Deconstructor itself. The Heart appears to take double (or more, maybe it has low or zero armor?) damage from everything, which obviously skews the overall results tremendously (especially if you can time a near-full energy bar + refreshed savage roar + tiger's fury coming off cd right as the heart gets exposed). I don't think this particular boss will be good for studying dps for anybody unless you chop the Heart out of the encounter in some fashion.

I did not manage to pull off Shreds agains Kologarn. I guess it is not possible, provided the circumstances, but just to make sure, can anyone confirm it is not possible?

edit: I have the hands in mind. I already fell down trying to get behind his body :-).

I use and love sorrens timers, which has an update now. It's perfect for tracking my own buffs and debuffs on targets. The only problem is that I would love to see other peoples mangles and traumas. Anyone got any idea on this?

I use rogue power bars (updated). You will have to add your own buffs/debuffs but it works perfect.

It does.

Mangle cat, bear and trauma share the same icon (or statusbar) and, of course, there can be refresh by another druid or warrior.
Demoralizing roar, demoshout share the same icon too.

With the shred glyph should you still keep the rip idol? The shred idol might prove to be more beneficial since with the shred glyph increases the rip duration, I am not sure seriously.



This is with shred idol.




This is with the rip idol.

I saw that the rip idol is better then the shred but since shred has more advantages now, I am just curious.

(BTW the shaman in my group wasn't helping me out with totems etc. Both fights I believe was like four minutes)

Whether or not you have the shred/rip glyph should not really influence whether or not you use the shred or rip idol. Specifically, you should use the shred idol when you get a lot of armor pen. If you don't, use the rip.

I actually dps this fight in bear form wearing a very high expertise threat set. Since I'm already wearing the gear and in bear form, I tank the adds when the arm dies as well. I've consistently gotten top 10 dps with a couple attempts into top 5 this way standing just in front of his right shoulder. Rage is a minor issue but if you are good about managing your mauls against your rage, you shouldn't have an issue. Threat isn't an issue since we dps the right arm first until it dies and then switch back to it every time it respawns.

On PTR I was able to find a few angles to Shred the arms, but this is when the 'ghost' of the bridge behind him was usable. On live I haven't been able to Shred either arm and I've tried some creative positioning during wipes. This is a poor fight for a dedicated cat, but not terrible if you're simply swapping to Cat between Off-tanking Kolgarn or tanking rubble adds.

I've tried in both 10 and 25 to get behind the Right Arm, each to no avail. I actually went high Haste consumables/extra gear pieces and high Expertise and ended up hitting top 7 or so DPS anyway. Worked well with all the ArP I've got. You end up with a stupid amount of Clearcasts, but you can get in a billion Ferocious Bites. Overall, ~25% DPS loss from what I hit normally.

I'm getting similar errors to Kologarn's arms on the Heart of the Deconstructor, in terms of being able to get behind it. I get Target must be in front of you errors when I move opposite where I get You must be behind your target errors from Shred. It seems to vary from attempt to attempt, and is incredibly frustrating. Any suggestions?

What i noticed was that i couldn't shred the 75% heart, but i could shred 50% one. I dont remember how it was at 25%. Happened 2 times. Maybe position change, maybe something else, we killed him 3rd try once we started dpsing heart so i didnt have time to learn more.

edit: found log, if the link works you can see that i was able to Shred also at 25% heart.

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The trick with the heart is it's a lot bigger than it looks. If you're at max range back on the boss, you should be able to shred the heart. If you're getting errors, back up.

Yeah, the heart hitbox is massive. Hunters occationally have to back up to range it as well, so backing up is the solution.

Also on Kolgarn, each arm shares the same location and size hitbox of the body, so you can hit either arm from any position, including hitting the right arm while directly under the left arm. Using this to spread out across the front of Kolgarn is a great way to keep melee alive and avoid over stacking for eyebeams.

Deconstructor's heart receive 100% more damage, therefore its misleading to aim for 4500 dps there.

Unbuffed cat with naxx25 gear can do 4000 dps on 83 dummy. That is what you should aim for. After quick glance (armory slow as hell) at your gear i'd say you should be able to reach 3 - 3.5k dps, but its hard to tell - it changed a lot with last patch.

@dmw: Download RAWR, turn off all buffs/debuffs and you will see how much DPS you should hit on the target dummy.

Something like 3500 DPS should be your aim I guess, but RAWR will tell you....

Managing about 3620 dps vs 83TD with motw, no other buffs or debuffs.

Rawr says 4272 but i dont see that happening - where can a 600dps shortfall be coming from, thats huge.

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How much of your theoretical unbuffed dps is realistic to expect against a target dummy?

The DPS is fairly close I'd say. Rawr shows that in my current gear, I should be doing ~4216 DPS, and I was going anywhere from 3900 to 4300 as berserk is used, and my gear procs.

The heart of XT was shredable all the time we spent on this boss - for me. Also there are not mechanics, which should force boss to turn back... maybe black hole pulled MT before droping heart. If BliZz didnt chaged this encounter from our kill, you should be abble to run around and find shredable position. But as I reported, if you are staying behind boss all the possible time, you should be able from this position shred heart all the time it drops.

For Kologarn, Im prety sure, there are no position for using shred. The boss is unchargable for warr - I didnt tryed, but it should be unchargable for feral cat. Very probably, because his back is not accesable. I just have to spam mangle (not improved) and pushed 5300 DPS, was second in or guild, behind shadow priest, who was abble to AoE arm elementals. I dont know, how much you lose by mangling. I did 200 more DPS on Ignis without being potted (no haste), but its hard to compare, because Ignis is retaded still turning boos.
On Kologarn, there is also interesting to AoE both arms and boos. Just buff the SR and spam swipe. I didnt tryed... just interested in how much DPS provide swiping 3 targets?