I think they like the way our stat values are balanced right now, and I think the most logical thing to do would be to re-balance the amount of damage rake and rip do pre-crit. Something near 80-85% of current damage from those attacks would cut our DPS to reasonable levels.

You should not forget that we get much more of the shirt of uber than most other classes. I can`t see us getting 8% more strength and agi and +130 ratings to all stats by Ulduar gear. But one point you can see of that is that our previous scaling issues are gone.

And the simplest way for blizz to balance feral dps is now through savage roar. If we are 10% above other classes, they can just reduce savage roar by 10%. No other class can be so easily balanced.

Honestly Preach, I'd say the rest of your guild was just doing badly. The reports I read (ie. keeping as up to date on their 3.1 changes threads) puts almost every other class easily in the 6k-7k margins, now I've never done Vazzax so I can't comment on the mobility of the fight, but Feral has generally performed better than most other classes on 'everyone has to move' fights (Sapphiron, p1 Malygos) in comparison to our 'stand still and do the perfect cycle' so what you're seeing may simply be a result of a fight where feral is favored.

The other major thing I see is the Shirt of Uber. I'm assuming the +8% Stats is a Kings-like effect, which casters tend to gain very little benefit from stats, while we possibly get the most (120 agi 35 str for me at least, vs 110 str 55 agi for a warrior who I imagine would be stat-heavy as well) BiS weapon upgrade aside, the Shirt of Uber is actually boosting a feral druid to t9 levels if you switch out expertise/hit items to compensate for the +130 increase (which basically negates the need for any expertise on gear and half the hit) +650 total ratings is very significant when casters are getting 390.

The shirt also gives SP - haven't tried it myself, but there was a blue post stating that.
In any case, with my offspec cat gear I jump in rawr from 5-5.5k range to 7K+ (2.1.9->2.2). There were SSs here of cats doing 5K dps on target dummies, unbuffed. Not sure why you think other classes got such a boost, not to mention some specs got nerfed. Cats' DPS on stationary targets is out of whack and will be nerfed.

The fights where we have problems keeping up the dps are fights with many switches or where our dots can`t tick the full duration like mobs that become immune or don`t live longer than 15 seconds. On that kind of fights you have to plan your finishers 30 seconds ahead of the situation to do good dps, which is often not simple.

Single-Target fights are good for ferals regardless if they move or not.

Using anecdotal evidence of screenshots plus RAWR to call for nerfs is simply ridiculous.

In addition to every theorycrafting source saying we've been buffed by 1000+ DPS (more than we necessarily needed), I've seen parses of feral druids performing well all over the place. One example is:

Raid History

Disclaimer: I don't know Premonition or Darthn (name seems familiar on the boards), nor do I know much about the PTR fights, so I can't say one is more movement-intensive than the next. But across a range of fights, Darthn does VERY well in a lot of fights compared to other melee DPS.


Wow Web Stats

Here's a parse from Juggernaut, Kazanomnom was 2nd to a warlock in DPS (not total damage, but he had 73% presence). Again, I have no personal knowledge of the guild, player, or fight, so take it for what it's worth.

I'm not going to make the claim that feral DPS should be lower than other melee DPS, but we certainly don't deserve to be significantly higher than the warrior/dk/retpally/etc DPS.

These were both pulled from the official WoW forums-- Premonition is the most discussed guild, since their resources are consistently updated in one place, and made Patch tank/DPS testing a priority, so that may skew perceptions a bit.

Angi, those are very particular fights that I'm not sure should count. Not many bosses have enemies that die under 15 seconds but can't be AOE'd (where cat swipe is great); not many bosses have enemies that go immune in the middle of attacking them. A LOT of bosses ask you to stand still and attack, or chase and attack continuously. Even the fights that do have those mechanics, have them alternating with the tank-and-spank type mechanic.

In the latest PTR build:
Primal Gore doesn't affect Rake anymore.
Glyph of Savage Roar - Your Savage Roar ability grants an additional 3% bonus damage done. (Down from 6%)

Surprised they took out rake of Primal gore instead of going to 150% bleedcrits, but it's not very different numberswise. At least rake dropping off is slightly less horrible now when choosing between 2 timers dropping off. Not surrpised by the glyph nerf either. Straigh up 6% damage buff on a glyph was a bit much.

Think a"nerf" was to be expected and they didnt go overboard with it.

Quick question regarding feral dps: is there a page with a ranking of the top-dps done by ferals for spefcific enounters?

I know wowmeteoronline

My problem is, that I want to check the feral numbers for patchwerk but tehre are only Moonkins in the top20

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