Cat DPS Rotation - Page 64

ganuard · 04/16/09, 6:47 PM

Originally Posted by ganuard

Is there a bug pertaining to glancing blows and a druid's weapon skill level? If I go to the level 80 training dummy and autoattack, I will do a huge amount of glancing blows. I cannot make sense of this.

As an update, here is a SS from a quick dummy test:

This is on the level 82 elite training dummy. More glancing blows than hits seems weird. In addition, below is a SS of a fight before the patch went live:

When the patch first came out, I was doing fairly exciting damage on the training dummy. Now I am having to work to put up 3.8k. I would not think the whole thing was weird was it not for the fact I was doing 4.4-4.5k on the dummy easily when the patch first came out. I'm thinking bug, but maybe you all have evidence to point otherwise.

Garanthir · 04/16/09, 7:33 PM

What Glyphs did you have on the PTR? The 3% SR would put you close to 4k, the 6% would put you a little over 4k. Lastly don't forget about the Rake change (Primal Gore no longer affects it).

Inaiwae · 04/17/09, 2:53 AM

@Ganuard: to my knowledge, there is lvl 80 and then lvl 83 training dummy. Glancings you have on that screenshot are in line with what i expect when attacking lvl 83 creature.

Jone · 04/17/09, 3:59 AM

Originally Posted by ganuard

This is on the level 82 elite training dummy. More glancing blows than hits seems weird.

Ok, good to see the situation. Yeah, glancings on a level 80 dummy would be really weird, but on the heroic "83" and on raid bosses, you expect to see 25% of white attacks as glances. Crit and glances both push regular hits off the table. When you've run out of white hits (76% crit or so), glances will begin to push crit off the table -- this is why a few discussions mention a "crit soft cap." At 76% crit, your white attacks cannot crit any more, and more crit only pushes up your yellow crit rate. This mostly applies to situations like Lotheb, where you get an environmental crit buff.

If you document something like this on a level 82 or below mob, I'd love to see it.

Preach · 04/17/09, 4:47 AM

Heres some in game dps stats i am currently seeing on live for you to have a glance over. Rip idol was on, savage roar glyph is not discovered yet on Sylvanas unfortunately so i still had mangle glyph in although we had a manglebot. Overall very happy cat with the changes.

Only fresh loot was the T8.5 head

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish <Deconstructor, fully stationary fight, little to no movement required during this encounter.

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish <Mimirion, lots and lots of movement here. Very difficult to keep shred going with the boss doing 180's all the time and melee having to move in/out from explosive bombs on the floor and aoe bursts from the boss.

Unfortunately these were the only bosses i was cat. I tanked the rest.

ganuard · 04/17/09, 5:46 AM

Originally Posted by Preach

Heres some in game dps stats i am currently seeing on live for you to have a glance over. Rip idol was on, savage roar glyph is not discovered yet on Sylvanas unfortunately so i still had mangle glyph in although we had a manglebot. Overall very happy cat with the changes.

Only fresh loot was the T8.5 head

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish <Deconstructor, fully stationary fight, little to no movement required during this encounter.

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish <Mimirion, lots and lots of movement here. Very difficult to keep shred going with the boss doing 180's all the time and melee having to move in/out from explosive bombs on the floor and aoe bursts from the boss.

Unfortunately these were the only bosses i was cat. I tanked the rest.

4.5K autoattacks and 20k shreds seem odd to me.

In reply to everyone else about my issues: About what DPS are you averaging on the lvl83 dummy? In addition, what is the expected percentage of glancing blows on a lvl80 mob? You all are correct in that being the 83 dummy so my bad there. Perhaps I'm overlooking something but several guildmates of mine were hanging out the first day the patch came out, and I was definitely doing 4.5k to 5k DPS on the level 83 dummy. Now, as I said, I have to pay attention to get 3.8.

Murna · 04/17/09, 5:50 AM

There should not be any glancing blows against lvl80 mobs.

Edriaine · 04/17/09, 6:23 AM

Originally Posted by ganuard

4.5K autoattacks and 20k shreds seem odd to me.

Those massive hits/crits would be from attacking the Heart, not the actual Deconstructor itself. The Heart appears to take double (or more, maybe it has low or zero armor?) damage from everything, which obviously skews the overall results tremendously (especially if you can time a near-full energy bar + refreshed savage roar + tiger's fury coming off cd right as the heart gets exposed). I don't think this particular boss will be good for studying dps for anybody unless you chop the Heart out of the encounter in some fashion.

Inaiwae · 04/17/09, 6:54 AM

I did not manage to pull off Shreds agains Kologarn. I guess it is not possible, provided the circumstances, but just to make sure, can anyone confirm it is not possible?

edit: I have the hands in mind. I already fell down trying to get behind his body :-).

bushwakko · 04/17/09, 7:19 AM

Originally Posted by Pzychotix

Has anyone had any luck with working DoT timer-like mods that will track your current debuffs? My mods have turned completely wonky lately, with NeedToKnow only showing the timer of the longest debuff of that name, rather than only just mine (yes, I have the option to only track my debuffs set).

It's a nightmare in my new guild, which now has two other regular feral druids running alongside myself.

I use and love sorrens timers, which has an update now. It's perfect for tracking my own buffs and debuffs on targets. The only problem is that I would love to see other peoples mangles and traumas. Anyone got any idea on this?

chetal · 04/17/09, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by bushwakko

I use and love sorrens timers, which has an update now. It's perfect for tracking my own buffs and debuffs on targets. The only problem is that I would love to see other peoples mangles and traumas. Anyone got any idea on this?

I use rogue power bars (updated). You will have to add your own buffs/debuffs but it works perfect.

BeldDD · 04/17/09, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by bushwakko

I use and love sorrens timers, which has an update now. It's perfect for tracking my own buffs and debuffs on targets. The only problem is that I would love to see other peoples mangles and traumas. Anyone got any idea on this?

I know badkitty tracks other mangle/traumas as well though it currently is having issues with OOC procs (which I just have the warning turned off for).

Not sure if the new droodfocus is tracking other traumas/mangles yet.

Meranannon · 04/17/09, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by BeldDD

I know badkitty tracks other mangle/traumas as well though it currently is having issues with OOC procs (which I just have the warning turned off for).

Not sure if the new droodfocus is tracking other traumas/mangles yet.

It does.

Mangle cat, bear and trauma share the same icon (or statusbar) and, of course, there can be refresh by another druid or warrior.
Demoralizing roar, demoshout share the same icon too.

Ria · 04/17/09, 6:02 PM

With the shred glyph should you still keep the rip idol? The shred idol might prove to be more beneficial since with the shred glyph increases the rip duration, I am not sure seriously.

This is with shred idol.

This is with the rip idol.

I saw that the rip idol is better then the shred but since shred has more advantages now, I am just curious.

(BTW the shaman in my group wasn't helping me out with totems etc. Both fights I believe was like four minutes)

kalbear · 04/17/09, 6:09 PM

Whether or not you have the shred/rip glyph should not really influence whether or not you use the shred or rip idol. Specifically, you should use the shred idol when you get a lot of armor pen. If you don't, use the rip.