I'm not so sure about Pandora's Plea. The bigger mana pool is nice for Rezax, but a random spell proc isn't really any different in terms of reliability then Crits. If the proc happens when everyone is topped off or when the raid is taking heavy damage and the proc isn't there all you have is 108 int.

As always I prefer consistency over rng for healing and I don't like mixed trinkets. If I need regen I'll use a regen trinket and if I want pure output then I want a trinket that is all about output. For me, the question is: what are the two best output and the two best regen trinkets?

I would surmise that the highest output trinkets would be the ones with the highest spellpower. Ignoring proc sp trinks like IDS, that would be [Show of Faith] and [Scale of Fates]. I'd give [Forethought Talisman] 3rd place.

Fore regen, I'd say [Spark of Hope]'s discounted spells takes the cake.And of course [Meteorite Crystal] is insane, but most of us will never see it...

How is IDS considered a proc trinket when it can be up all time, barring extreme cases (vezax)?

Answered on the previous page: Restoration Trinkets

I don't consider it a proc trinket, even on Vezax. We used 2 healers to do Vezax hardmode in 10man, and I just kept 3 lb's and a rejuv going the whole time, meleeing for OOC procs to use to refresh lifebloom, with my paladin partner using FoL to assist smoothing out spikes with my swiftmend.

IDS can really just be looked at as a 200sp trinket in Ulduar.

I wasn't asking the question, just stating what my question as a Druid is when I am evaluating trinkets. I probably could have worded it better.

I hadn't seen it mentioned yet, but the new Jaraxxus 25 man trinket is a really solid/BIS trinket in terms of both regen and throughput.
Solace of the Defeated - Items - Sigrie

150 spellpower, stacking 128 MP5. Far better than show of faith, etc.

Heroic version better yet.

Will it be possible to equip both Solace of the Defeated trinkets simultaneously?

I have now seen 2 or 3 people say yes and about as many say no. Is there a definitive answer on this?

Until we actually get our hands on Heroic items, there's no real way to check.

Spark of Hope is by far one of the best trinkets out there. If you need mana regen of any sort. I give my innervate to other healers/classes, therefor I use it on longer encounters. However; Sif's Rememberence, Jetze Bell (spelling), and Show of Faith are some of the best trinkets out there. IDS and Scale of Faith should be passed to caster DPS, in my opinion. The new trinket released however is going to be an amazing trinket! Yet to see it drop (week 2, first kill). Forethought talisman is an ok trinket, but its proc is a little shortsided for druids. It is good for Spellpower, and should be used over the 98SP-Hasteproc trinkets.

The new 5 man int trinket is an amazing trinket for mana regen also, being 2nd BiS to Spark of Hope. The proc is nice, and the int is a good mana pool buffer + Replenish. If mana regen is an issue again, these two trinkets SHOULD take care of it, and both are easy to obtain. If you STILL have mana problems, maybe you should look into your healing strategy.

Illustration of the Dragon Soul at this point in time is better for resto druids than it is for most classes. The reason (in my opinion) for this is that spellpower is one of the only significant stats for us. And for throughput, its basically the only one that matters. For DPS casters, haste and crit (among other things) make many trinkets better choices than IDS. I'm not sure what you meant by Scale of Faith...if you meant Show of Faith, its probably a healing item since most DPS casters aren't too crazy about regen stats on trinkets.

I agree with you that a well-geared resto druid shouldn't be having healing problems at this time.

I am leaning towards predicting that we can use both the 245 and the 258 one. Technically, since they have different item IDs, they should not be considered the same item. I believe there are similar instances of this situation already, but I cannot think of them offhand.

I was wondering what happened to this thread. I'll update the front page as Wowhead gets the links (which is unfortunately not very quickly).

I ran Trial of the crusader normal today and [Tears of the Vanquished] dropped. its proc gives roughly 55 mp5. (assuming it procs every 45 secs which during my tests it does)


[Energy Siphon] is 1mp5 behinde and is lacking the int, late ulduar 25man (e.g vezzak) a larger mana pool is a huge help.


so do i go for the int or the use affect?

at the moment im leaning towards the [Tears of the Vanquished]

Assuming you use the Energy Siphon on cooldown, you get an average of 68sp over the long term. I'd consider 68 sp vs 84 int a clear win for spellpower, but that depends of course on your personal coefficients for sp and int. Also, you may consider being able to boost 408sp during critical periods may be more or less valuable than 68 sp fulltime.

On the whole, neither is a tremendous trinket, and the new one is at best not remarkable compared to Energy Siphon--with the notable exception of Vezax assuming that the mana proc works there.

Even if the mana proc doesn't work on Vezax (and I don't think it does), our only options to really boost our mana pool are Flask of Distilled Wisdom, Pandora's Plea (which is unlikely that we'd get over a Pally or Shaman), Darkmoon Card: Greatness, or Tears of the Vanquished. With the nerfs to clearcasting on the fight, I found that I'd need to boost my mana pool, and that's an easily obtained trinket that really helps for the fight.

I was disscussing this after our vezzak kill in guild chat. the general feeling was that they would rather have a healer doing some healing during critcal periods rather than clicking a proc.


at this present moment in time i keep energy siphon in my bags while using the tears of the vanquished most of the time, and only switching to the energy siphon were serious burst healing is needed (the damage being at certain times) e.g frozen blows hodir

I realize you can't control the RNG (haven't seen a spark drop yet for instance), but these options are really not too good. Pure regen trinkets and/or regen procs are much better choice in my opinion. Spark alone covers the regen of both those trinkets.

I just got Solace of the Fallen, and I am now deciding what trinket to go after to compliment it.

At the moment I am using [Solace of the Fallen] and [Spark of Hope], but I can't see myself using Spark forever, as I would like to increase my SP.

Sif's Remembrance gives me 110SP Static, and 195mp5 for 15 seconds. 195 x 3 = 585 mana. Thinking of the bonus as a static mp5 buff, it gives rougly 73mp5 over the cd period (585 / 8 = 73.125).

Spark of Hope is around 200mp5 if I'm casting non stop, and gives around 32sp from the Spirit conversion. I don't think 78 SP is worth 130mp5.

At the moment, the only trinket I may consider using instead of spark of hope is The heroic Solace of the Fallen if they stack.

Don't forget Illustration of the Dragon Soul. I know its only a modest iLevel 213, but its still king of the pure throughput trinkets in my estimation. That being said, I'm also hoping for Solace x2. That thing is just too good.

Also, if your guild is really good, there's the Show of Faith (which was sure a lot more impressive before Coliseum came out ).

This. Show of Faith <-> Illustration is more or less 1:1 SP to mp5 conversion. If you can't use 2 Solaces, then when you finish ToC, Illustration should be the 2nd trinket you have.

Thanks to our luck (we got Solace in 25 heroic last week) I was able to test bother Solace versions together (before giving the heroic one to another healer thanks to this new amazing trade loot system ^^).

1) you can equip them together
2) They do stack. When you cast a spell with both equipped, you get two mana regen buffs, one for each.

This is a pretty good news for every healer loving balanced trinkets :-)

I raid with a 10 man guild, and recently got the Binding Stone (equip 57 MP5, 66SP up to 8 stacks per helpful spell - 20 sec duration - 2 min CD).

I have used the Binding Stone to replace the Darkmoon Card: Illusion (equip 100 SP, 1500 mana on use - 5 min CD).

My other trinket is Je'tze's Bell (equip 106SP, chance of 125 Mp5 for 15 sec).

I am unlikely to get any of the heroic or 25man loot anytime soon. Are these the best trinkets for a raiding resto in a 10man environment? If not, what would be better?