Como

I believe the general feeling on Binding Stone is that it is quite underpowered for it's ilevel. In a 10 man raid environment, you are better off shooting for the easy to reach [Spark of Hope] or [Sif's Remembrance]. I definitely would advise against replacing Illusion with it, unless you are having real mana problems.

 

rockshassa

I use [Spark of Hope] and [Sif's Remembrance] for everything. I have 2600+ spellpower in treeform with my Idol proc'd, and that feels like enough. I never have mana problems on hardmodes, if i need to pot its because i used my innervate at the wrong time. Ideally, i would like to have IDS or Eye of the Broodmother to swap out on shorter fights, but it really does not feel necessary.

 

Chriski

Wanted a [Spark of Hope] for so long, but i was lucky enough to pick up [Solace of the Defeated] and then the heroic [Solace of the Defeated] ^^ the procs on both stack, so in raids with both 8 stacks im sitting on around 850ish mp5 casting, crazy trinkets, and the SP on both is so nice, though i can see the stacking mp5 buff being nerfed somehow, it just seems way too good ><

 

Mogias

There have been several allusions to Blizzard no longer allowing the use of both Heroic and Normal versions of items in the future. So far however there has been no official note on the matter.

As a pure 10man raider, I am currently leaning towards using Spark of Hope in combation with Je'tze's bell(Sif's Remembrance once I obtain it). T9 4pc has made me wonder wether the combination of either, depending on the mana situation, with an Eye of the Broodmother would be more beneficial though. Purely for throughput it would seem worth it, especially taking into account my higher ratio of Nourish in an instance where crits aren't purely overheal.

 

Oakenshield_Drenden

Has Rawr effectively modeled Resto trinkets and their use effects/procs?

I think the answer to this is 'no' as [Talisman of Troll Divinity] is showing up surprising high despite being dissed early on in this thread.

 

Ozlunar

Hi all ^^

It's an old issue, as you know (for example, there's an old thread here). I think that it's still not properly modeled.

 

ildrean

I have the opportunity to get a [Purified Shard of the Flame] and [Purified Shard of the Scale] combo (these are the 10 man versions).
This should give 510 HP/5, 85 MP/5, 222 SP, and a chance heal for about 2269-2773.

As opposed to my current setup, [Spark of Hope] and [Energy Siphon], this looks to lose a lot of regen, but gain significant throughput. Would this have any worth over my current setup?

If I were to get [Solace of the Fallen] to replace Energy Siphon, I have a feeling that that combination would be the sweet spot for me regen and throughput-wise and would be better than the shard combo. Thoughts?

 

burnz68

So, I haven't seen any consideration of the [Talisman of Resurgence]... I picked it up on a whim because my previous trinket was a 213 [Soul of the Dead] and it looked like a reasonable upgrade given what I was working with. I know there are better for druids out there, but I've had terrible luck landing healing trinkets since it is my off spec. I must say, I definitely like the extra 2k mana and the use is nice for those times I'd really like to amplify the power of my hots.

I won't lie, I'm dreaming of an upgrade that is more tailored for druids, but if you guys are hard up for a good trinket upgrade, I would consider that talisman an option...

 

Ozlunar

And what about [Binding Light]?

It seems to be a 68.2 SP trinket with a nice MP5. What you think 'bout it?

 

Marylinn

I don't remember the exact numbers behind Spark of Hope (Something along the lines of 200 mp5 and 21 spirit->spell power?) It's really hard to replace something with such an overwhelming amount of mp5. The only thing Rawr tells me to replace it with anymore is [Talisman of Resurgence] due to it trying to stack intellect/crit to take advantage of T9 4set. I'm not quite sure if I'm in line with that reasoning yet, but maybe after a few more upgrades I'll consider it.

 

Ozlunar

[Spark of Hope] seems to be a trinket with 250MP5 and 20.5 SP (accordinly with Wowhead).

Anyway, I agree with you: it is hard to replace it (at least for the heavy MP5).

 

• Playered

Please even with a GCD lock resulting in 5 RJs thats 29x5= 145 MP5 and that's pretty much the highest result you can get out of the trinket effect so anything much beyond that is flat out false. (Please note I have not included the MP5 from the 100 Spirit but that is not going to exactly be a huge value to bring it to the 250 level)

This is not even new information and I'm rather certain some basic searching of this thread will result in the information about the trinket from when it was first implemented in 3.1 including where it would state that the mana reduction is applied on the base spell and then your %reduction spells are applied after resulting in bringing it down from 42 by 29% (Tree of Life & Moonglow) to 29 which your spell tooltip will confirm for you.


The last thing to note is spamming RJ 5x every 5 seconds is not happening in Coliseum except perhaps on Twins and even in Ulduar it is limited to a few choice hardmodes so that upper-end value of 145 should not be counted as the standard if you intend to use the trinket full time.

The 245 version of Solace of the Defeated is 128 MP5 in comparison and also grants 130 more SP.

 

Manganese

Well yeah the [Spark of Hope] helps on long fights a lot. But I found out recently that it's not a must have all the time.

I only play in 10 man raids at Ulduar, and do not plan on going to any 25 man raid ^^

I used to equip The spark of hope and [Je'Tze's Bell] all the time since I had mana troubles, especially on the firsts fights of Ulduar (Ignis and what the hell's his name dragon). It helped me a lot going through the whole fight and not being oom at the end of it (I had a Naxx 10 equipment).

On shorter fights (Onyxia, XT, Thorim, etc..) I find the [Embrace of the Spider] a lot more usefull than the spark.

 

mhenrique85

The Problem is, unfortunately, not all druids have access to Solace of the Defeated. For 10 man strict druids, the best trinket is [Sif's Remembrance]. Our 2nd Slot really depends on Boss and Raid Setup, 10 man raiders doesn´t have access to all buffs like 25 man raiders, and on most fights, at least in my guild, we run with just 2 healers, so for me [Spark of Hope] is the best choice for some Coliseum Heroic fights.

Let´s take a closer look in the fights:

Northrend Beasts: 2 healers, need to roll LB on both tanks for a big part of Gormok, Acidmaw and Dreadscale fights. Without Spark of Hope, probably i would have mana problems.

Lord Jaraxxus: 2 healers, but the boss doesn´t hit hard, so i don´t need to roll LB, mana is not a problem, probably a trinket like [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] or [Je'Tze's Bell] is a better option.

Faction Champions: 3 healers, short fight, mana is really not a problem, SP trinkets win.

Twin Val'kyr: 2 healers, but bosses doesn´t hit hard, SP trinkets win again.

Anub'arak: 2 healers, roll LB on MT and occasionally on OT, 3rd phase is really mana consuming since i roll all hots on MT and OT, and spot heal the Penetrating Cold targets, my preference here is for Spark of Hope.

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25 man raiders doesn´t need to make this choice, The 245 and 258 versions of Solace of the Defeated stack for an effective 318 spell power and 272mp5 while casting. This is by far the best trinket combo in the game for us. Even with just one of them, you can pass without mana problems for any encounter in the game atm. But for 10 man raiders, i thought it was a good idea to analyze what is the best trinket for each encounter.

 

Babylegs

I'm also in a 10man strict guild. We're currently up to H Anub which 2 heal, we do 3 heal the other fights but are looking to reduce it to 2. For mana intensive fights I switch out [Sif's Remembrance], so I tend to go with [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] and [Spark of Hope]. The reason I do this is to keep the throughput from [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] whilst gaining all the extra regen I need to get through the fights from [Spark of Hope]. I believe the regen from both Sif's and Spark would be more than I need for these fights, hence sticking with the higher throughput from Illustration.

 

Cromedan

You should try it with 2 healers, much easier, even dropping a heal out, the extra dps makes the burn much faster.
On this fight i usually spot heal most of the time, and as it goes heal goes easier

All anub fights, and even heroic10 i have never had mana issues
You could skip Spark of H here since theres a long phase to recover mana while the boss is underground