Restoration Trinkets - Page 12

Mideci · 04/15/09, 7:17 AM

So fine, that said.. proc-ing on the DM: Greatness card is unlikely to make it a very good trinket. The buff from the card is only up briefly; you need to hope you get the benefit of a whole replenish cycle for it to be exciting.

The notion that 45 spellpower (on healing spells) + the mana regen from spirit is somehow worse than miniscule spell crit + the mana regen from int is a bit weird. DM:Greatness with an int proc feels like a much much less exciting trinket. And if 45 spellpower is unexciting on HoTs, I'm not sure how 98 spellpower is that much stunning better. Nor is the haste on, say, the Maexxna one. I suppose in a world of infinite IDSes, the choice would be obvious. In a world where you are selecting from what you have, things might be different.

grimtage · 04/15/09, 7:54 AM

Originally Posted by Mideci

So fine, that said.. proc-ing on the DM: Greatness card is unlikely to make it a very good trinket. The buff from the card is only up briefly; you need to hope you get the benefit of a whole replenish cycle for it to be exciting.

The notion that 45 spellpower (on healing spells) + the mana regen from spirit is somehow worse than miniscule spell crit + the mana regen from int is a bit weird. DM:Greatness with an int proc feels like a much much less exciting trinket. And if 45 spellpower is unexciting on HoTs, I'm not sure how 98 spellpower is that much stunning better. Nor is the haste on, say, the Maexxna one. I suppose in a world of infinite IDSes, the choice would be obvious. In a world where you are selecting from what you have, things might be different.

Let me get this straight, you think the notion of two things that both give about the same regen and both give negligible throughput being deciphered between because one has a disadvantage is weird? I just lost any respect when you mentioned the Maexxna trinket, like somehow a druid healer has any claim to that when there's a healer specific one from Heroic Badges that does exactly the same job, except dps can't use it. And no, in a world of infinite IDSes, we still might need the regen over spell power. There's no use having 3k spell power if you have no mana to cast spells. If you really can't understand why people prefer the int proc over the spirit proc, go do the number crunching yourself - you clearly don't believe their number crunching, but please don't sit there and say you don't believe them when you have no numbers to back you up.

Fallenangel · 04/15/09, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by grimtage

Let me get this straight, you think the notion of two things that both give about the same regen and both give negligible throughput being deciphered between because one has a disadvantage is weird? I just lost any respect when you mentioned the Maexxna trinket, like somehow a druid healer has any claim to that when there's a healer specific one from Heroic Badges that does exactly the same job, except dps can't use it. And no, in a world of infinite IDSes, we still might need the regen over spell power. There's no use having 3k spell power if you have no mana to cast spells. If you really can't understand why people prefer the int proc over the spirit proc, go do the number crunching yourself - you clearly don't believe their number crunching, but please don't sit there and say you don't believe them when you have no numbers to back you up.

It's funny that you talk about number crunching without presenting a single one of your own.

Assuming 1k int and 1k spirit pre-proc gives you 264.5 mp5.
A proc of 300 int gives 330 int with kings, or 4950 mana. Assuming 100% replenish during the time gives 185 mana, or an extra 62mp5 for the duration of the proc.
In addition, during the proc your I5SR regen goes up to 305mp5. Total gain is 102mp5.

A proc of 300 spirit gives 380 spirit. I5SR regen goes up to 365 mp5, or a gain of 100mp5.

Now, I'll take a SP proc (57 isn't too shabby btw) over a bit of crit and 2mp5. The power of int depends a lot on the initial boost it gives to your mana pool. That advantage is lost with this proc.

sortko · 04/16/09, 6:45 PM

In relation to the discussion DMC: Greatness Int or Spi version.

Because of this thread I choose the Int version long way back. As pointed out earlier, this trinket with the +90 int and a spirit proc is a gift to us. Until now, it has not been too hard to itemize my gear so I kept my Spi > Int to get the right proc. Im affraid this will change.

If you look at the tier8 compared to tier7, the stats have changed quite alot. Tier7 had more or less spi = int, where tier8 has 68 int more than spi. By browsing thru the items posted on wowhead so far, I only found one item (waist) with spi > int. I know that this is not a complete list, but it seems like there's a tendency from blizzard to customize the new leather gear this way. For me this will start to create problems, and I would have to gem spi or choose my gear very carefully to achieve the right proc. Im not sure that this would be beneficial and Im afraid that I to some extend would nerf my gear too much.

Why do I write this? because everyone who bothers to gather the deck should know about this change. I have been very happy with the int version, but if I was to make my trinket after 3.1 I would go for the spirit version.

On a side note, since this is my first post, I'll like to thank all the people writing here. I have enjoyed this forum alot and gathered much useful information here.

Nismoh · 04/25/09, 2:17 AM

I just got a Spark of Hope, but my two ones before having acquired the spark would be Je'Tze's Bell and Spirit-World Glass.
After acquiring it, I went to work right away trying to figure out which two would be my best choice.

The spark of hope and bell seem to be a good idea, but the glass helps so much due to using that when I innervate/am innervated. Just looking to see what people would do, I'm trying to weigh my options.

Inorrri · 04/25/09, 4:38 AM

Originally Posted by Nismoh

I just got a Spark of Hope, but my two ones before having acquired the spark would be Je'Tze's Bell and Spirit-World Glass.
After acquiring it, I went to work right away trying to figure out which two would be my best choice.

The spark of hope and bell seem to be a good idea, but the glass helps so much due to using that when I innervate/am innervated. Just looking to see what people would do, I'm trying to weigh my options.

I'd go with Bell. With both Spark and Glass you should have way too much mana regen, so the "budget" is wasted in a way.

At least I'm yet to see a fight where I'd struggle with mana regen (up to Yog-25), so I'd pick sp over regen any day.

mhenrique85 · 04/27/09, 11:27 AM

[Spirit-World Glass] is NOT a good trinket, we have better options for regen trinkets.

[Majestic Dragon Figurine] and [Spark of Hope] are the way to go.

The only problem that i notice in Spark of Hope is that his equip goes before Tree of Life bonus in mana formula, but is still, in my opnion, the best regen trinket in the game, meanly if you use [Idol of Awakening] and is a heavy Reju user, like me, in 10man, you can keep reju on most of the raid when its needed, for most of all fight depending of the fight (kologarn and Mimiron phase 2 are good examples) without having mana issues.

[Pandora's Plea] and [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] are good INT options.

but i dont like spirit and SP procs becouse of refresh Hots issue.

For Spellpower trinkets:

[Sif's Remembrance] and 25man version of it that drop from Yogg Hard mode are the best, both are Jetzebell like.

For who that dont do 10man Hard Mode yet or dont do 25man, like me, [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] and [Je'Tze's Bell] are the best options. Illustration can be taken with pugs or you can 10man the 25man version.

Other SP good option for who that dont have money to spent on Jetzbell, dont have luck to take Illustration (o/) and dont have Mana problems is [Darkmoon Card: Illusion]. Doing Maths, Jetzebell gives you 25 mp5 in a 5 minutes fight, DC Illusion gives you 20 mp5, so it is a good trinket, just underrated.

Antkins · 04/28/09, 1:34 AM

Can anyone tell me if the items - [Sif's Remembrance], [Je'Tze's Bell] or Show of Faith, have a shared internal cooldown? Or would it be possible to have 2 of these procs at the same time?

(Item link for Show of Faith, as WoWhead doesn't have it in the data base yet) http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...26_9806_16.jpg

Thorakon · 05/04/09, 6:57 AM

Originally Posted by mhenrique85

[Majestic Dragon Figurine] and [Spark of Hope] are the way to go.

The only problem that i notice in Spark of Hope is that his equip goes before Tree of Life bonus in mana formula, but is still, in my opnion, the best regen trinket in the game, meanly if you use [Idol of Awakening] and is a heavy Reju user, like me, in 10man, you can keep reju on most of the raid when its needed, for most of all fight depending of the fight (kologarn and Mimiron phase 2 are good examples) without having mana issues.

Does anyonone have numbers or experience on which trinket does provide more mana save/reggen, [Majestic Dragon Figurine] or [Spark of Hope]?

I've got both and I'm currently going for the Spark because stacks won't ever run out and you're often hotting on gcd.

uliko · 05/04/09, 7:19 AM

Spark will give way more mana then MDF could ever dream of. The -cost is most likely before modifiers but even then it's around -30 mana to rejuvenation thus bringing it to a possible 150 mana saved per 5 seconds plus ~37 mp5 from the 100 spirit. MDF is around 67 mp5 depending on your intellect.

Talid · 05/05/09, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by Antkins

Can anyone tell me if the items - [Sif's Remembrance], [Je'Tze's Bell] or Show of Faith, have a shared internal cooldown? Or would it be possible to have 2 of these procs at the same time?

(Item link for Show of Faith, as WoWhead doesn't have it in the data base yet) http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...26_9806_16.jpg

Memento of Tyrande and Je'tze's Bell can proc at the same time so I imagine that Sif's can as well.

16:34:43> [Your] Effervescence applied [You].
16:34:43> [Your] Clearcasting faded [You].
16:34:44> [Your] Rejuvenation healed [You] 0 Nature. (1337 Overhealed)
16:34:45> [Your] Rejuvenation healed [You] 0 Nature. (1337 Overhealed)
16:34:46> [Your] Rejuvenation healed [You] 0 Nature. (1337 Overhealed)
16:34:46> [Your] Wisdom applied [You].
16:34:47> [Your] Lifebloom healed [You] 0 Nature. (2953 Overhealed)
16:34:47> [Your] Lifebloom faded [You].
16:34:47> [Your] Rejuvenation healed [You] 0 Nature. (1336 Overhealed)
16:34:58> [Your] Effervescence faded [You].
16:35:01> [Your] Wisdom faded [You].

Atmosfearic · 05/07/09, 7:14 AM

Considering the trinkets you can get in the new expansion, do any of you think that having the 70 trinket "Momento of Tyranda" worth it?

goodolarchie · 05/07/09, 11:50 AM

I recently upgraded from darkmoon: greatness +int to Spark of Hope. My 2nd is IDS. The spark didn't equate to being as much as mana saver/regen trinket as I'd hoped but its definitely on par with DMF:G on most fights and a bit better for the short-spammy fights where you're basically using every GCD, especially on rejuv's.

The main problem and annoyance factor of using DMF:G +int is that in order for the trinket to be useful you HAD to keep your spirit above your int. This is actually pretty hard to do once you pick up the t8 pieces which are int-heavy. I actually had to use +16 spirit gems in blue slots in order to keep my spirit > int with raid buffs. I still value spirit for its regen and throughput values, but with the innervate change coming up I don't see DMF:G being worth it anymore.

I'm hoping Show of Faith + IDS is a viable combo for future content.

Daedalix · 05/07/09, 4:54 PM

I have a MDF and use IED. I don't want to say "I don't have mana problems" in Ulduar because I remember those discussions from TBC and they are fruitless but I don't find it to be a big worry for me. The crew I run with has excellent healers but I usually am able to Innervate a holy priest (about 50% of the time) or a dps (rarely) and still end the fight with barely enough mana. When it comes to trinkets I'm aiming for more spellpower for throughput. I wouldn't drop the MDF (it's just too good) but I certainly wouldn't wear another "regen" trinket. I consider MDF as throughput trinket with good regen more than a "regen" trinket. IMO the trinket selection is underwhelming and they are always hard to come by but I think [Eye of the Broodmother] or [Scale of Fates] would be much preferable to any other trinket out there that's new in 3.1. Pop the haste on-use right before frozen blows or a tantrum or any other spike damage.

Again, any trinket with such characteristics would be hard to wrench from a caster dps. Are people honestly having mana issues right now? The toughest healing fights so far for me (Hodir and Council) have small built-in regen periods. I'm essentially the #2 healer in our raid, we've gotten through the keepers in 2 hard weeks of raiding, and I'm not looking to squeeze any more mana out. Perhaps I'm in the minority?

If I were to waste time and effort on a Darkmoon Card it would definitely be Illusion and not Greatness. As a healer, anyway.

Fallenangel · 05/07/09, 7:21 PM

Err, Spark completely blows MDF out of the water, especially in 3.1.2.
Hard modes will squeeze your mana. Can't say I'm looking forward to competing with other healers for the ferals' innervate in the next patch