Not everyone has one solace let alone two, or even Sif's for that matter. Granted I'm in the minority in that my guild only does 10 mans but we've done thorim hardmode maybe a dozen times and have one Sif's (and not a single runestone).

Snowflake will have it's uses for some for sure. But yea, if you happen to have every great trinket already, it's more of a niche item.

I have to say, I really hope the Snowflake doesn't get nerfed, because this is probably the most fun I've had with a single trinket since Blue Dragon card. Getting back over half the mana from a full Wild Growth is pretty ridiculous.

Also, I nabbed a Althor's Abacus - Item - World of Warcraft from our 25m clear Tuesday, and I'm really liking it (using that + IDS for any time where my 245 Solace's regen isn't needed).

Looking over the last three raids I've done since getting it, ICC10, ToC10, and Sarth3d+ToC25 its seeming to attribute to a good 2-2.5% of my overall healing during any given raid. Obviously, this is probably a better trinket for a non-druid since it doesn't proc off of HoTs, but its really nice for any time I need to help tank heal. (And this was pretty frequent during the last parse, we somehow had ZERO paladins online)

It does appear to proc of your initial application of WG. It's hard to tell and someone better at logs would be more suited for this. But, I do see you casting WG (the initial ticks are your higher ticks) and then a following Echoes of Light. It's hard for me to tell if it procs from the initial application of RJ (though perhaps not since it's not an instant tick) or off expiring lifeblooms. Regardless, it's not strictly proccing off your Nourishes though, that much is evident from the combined hit/crits of the proc compared to hit/crit of Nourish. It would be interesting to have more data and a more intelligent person to review that data. (Not it).

Damn.

Also, I eat my above words, I was just randomly casting rejuv + WG on party members to see if the Snowflake was fixed yet, and I got an Echoes of Light heal from a regular rejuv tick. (It was 4 seconds after I had cast my last rejuv, so I'm pretty sure it will proc from hot ticks)

Also ALSO, if someone could somehow get Echoes of Light to show up in the WoL log browser, that would be awesome.

I was hoping it would last a little longer. I guess VE made it kind of absurd.

The wording leaves open the possibility for it to be a strong mana trinket if we ever wind up needing one. Well have to test after it goes in.

Some real-world data on [Ephemeral Snowflake] (which I think may be after the ICD has been added; I've been running the new 5-mans for the past 2 days and I seemed to be able to go low on mana with it equipped yesterday but not the day before. But looking at the numbers, it still seems too good).

Marrowgar-25 Kill (with a rather odd mix of tank and raid healing)
Fight length was 7:03 = 423 seconds
Replenished procced 1695 times = 18645 mana (compared to 15194 from Replenishment)
MP5 averaged over the fight 220
Proc-rate every 0.25s.

Going back to check with TreeCalcs, the expected MP5 seems to be in-line with the non-ICD version, though. I didn't have much luck finding other, more recent logs with the Replenished buff.

TreeCalcs currently has the no-ICD version. I think your numbers are from the no-ICD version--1695 seems to be around now many total heals you had. Remember that the spreadsheet is showing a heavy Rejuv/WG spam rotation by default, which really generates lots of ticks for the trinket.

I think I may have been seeing the post-hotfix version yesterday evening. My MSBT buckets hot ticks into 3-second groups, and I never saw more than 8 or so to ticks at once, even with many Rejuvs ticking in a 10-man. So somewhere slightly over 100 MP5 is what you'd expect. Unlikely to wind up being worth using over Solace, but a bit more testing would be nice.

I did some testing on it, unfortunately the combatlog is of little help in determining what the actual cooldown is. I had spells in the same hundredth of a second both generate ticks, and sometimes ticks separated by a couple tenths of a second only generate a single tick. Spamming hots and nourishes on myself, I could get approximately 1.5 ticks per second (82.5 mp5). In a heavy raid healing situation, I think 2-3 ticks per second is more realistic, leading to around 110-165 mp5. Basically it seems like a nice regen trinket, but it's not better than Solace.

Updated the list for the current ICC Trinkets.

I just recently got [Sliver of Pure Ice] and I'm very much enjoying it. I've been using [Spark of Hope]/[Illustration of the Dragon Soul] for months now, and I've not been lucky enough to have a Solace drop for me (or at least be anywhere near the top of our SK list when one drops).

Sliver gives me nostalgia of the chain chugging days. But I'm very much enjoying the increased SP compared to Spark of Hope. No way would I be using this if I had a Solace though, either the 245 or the 258 version.

With these current trinkets out, what are people considering for their trinket selection? As predicted months ago, [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] remains one of the best trinkets for Resto Druids, and now we have a lot more options to balance Spellpower and Regen. As Regen becomes less and less of an issue, I'm looking to use Illustration and [Althor's Abacus] for straight throughput, and for fights where regen may be more necessary, [Solace of the Fallen] will still be the go-to trinket for a lot of druids.

[Sif's Remembrance] is decent alternative if you don't have a Solace. Of course if you don't already have one you'll have to do Thorim 10-man hardmode to get it. For 60 frost badges you can also buy [Purified Lunar Dust]

New hotfixes I guess, this little bit was in there...

"The trinket Ephemeral Snowflake will now be triggered by all healing spells."

Were certain spells not triggering it? IE it will proc off like JoL now, or are are they trying to say the ICD has been removed and will once again proc off every heal?

The ICD was pretty pointless. Even at low/mid 200 mp5 pre-nerf it was an upgrade to Spark of Hope which it should be considering the two tiers of content inbetween. Shadow Priests don't generally have mana problems as it is so why would it matter if they are pulling some insane regen via VE.

edit: looks like only one tick of WG per sec is proccing it, sad.

Snowflake is ilvl 232, compared to solace been 245 or 258.

Agree that it isnt very appealing if you have solace or other high end trinkets as it is a trinket with 220 mp5 and a bad use for a resto druid.

Not sure where you're seeing 220mp5, as it would have to proc 4 times a second. I read that the ICD is 0.25s (not sure based on what testing but lets take that figure) so while it may theoretically be 220mp5 in practice it should be far far less. Procs such as JoL will achieve a much better utilization of possible procs than hots that tick in fixed intervals, and the click effect is also a lot better for paladins.
Outside of solaces and ICC25, [Purified Lunar Dust] and [Sliver of Pure Ice] form a pretty strong combo. If you're packing 4T9 then [Nevermelting Ice Crystal] is not a bad alternative.

I wonder, does Ephemeral Snowflake - Item - World of Warcraft still regen mana on a spell that is cast off of a clearcasting proc? and so the need to cast wg on a clearcast?

It reads as though it has nothing to do with the mana cost of a spell. I would answer your first question yes. To your second question, I would answer lifebloom. If you do not need to cast, and want the mana gain, cast lifebloom, as it will return its mana to you still + the trinket. WG is not a bad alternative if you do need to cast a heal though. Either spell is a good use of "mana" during OoC proc.

I would not want to be seen as a spoiled child here, but if anybody has done the maths on currently available regen trinkets compared to hybrid trinkets, I would really love to see some sort of ranking (by regen trinkets I mean items you would use over ones boosting healing output for the sake of not risking being oom in a long fight, hybrids are obviously ones that give strong outputs stats like spellpower).

As an example to show the kind of conundrum one can face (and not to have the EJ community choose for me, I am well aware that is not the point of these forums), here is a situation:
I have [Ephemeral Snowflake], [Tears of the Vanquished] and [Nevermelting Ice Crystal], access to [Purified Lunar Dust] and [Sliver of Pure Ice].
Is it possible to have an idea of how each of those potential choices would affect my mana regen compared to the others (and hopefully make this better by adding all trinkets in the model). To make it even more user friendly, would it be possible to measure them in additional seconds of fight before going oom?

In other words: can the brillant math people come up with a way to rank trinkets based on regen in order to help people potentially brilliant in other areas (:P) to make a gear choice? Thanks!

Fallenangel, the Snowflake's 220MP5 is based on 11 mana per proc, with a 0.25 sec ICD it could proc 20 times per 5 seconds. With a 5x1 rotation and non-zero latency you'll have more than enough out of synch HoT ticks per second to maintain that, and I've found rapid rejuv and over 800 haste makes scrolling combat text rather distracting (grin).

The proc isn't affected by clear casts or overhealing, so you get pretty consistent regen from it. The haste use on the other hand is pretty weak for a druid that's already focused on haste. I currently have Sif's and the Snowflake as nothing better has dropped, so the Lunar Dust is looking nice.

Shantaram, your best bet is to load your stats into tree calcs or something along those lines, and swap out trinkets to see what works for you. You can also load up Rawr with your imported profile, and after choosing the type of encounter to heal see an easy to read chart of the throughput/regen each has to offer.

I see how Solace of the Fallen is better than the snowflake, but what about Spark of Hope? Right now I have the 245 Solace, the Snowflake, and Spark of Hope. Which are the best to be using? Right now, I've been using Solace + Snowflake. I'll probably replace the Snowflake with the Sliver of Pure Ice when it drops for me but until then which should I go with?

In my opinion I'd say Spark of Hope. Mainly because we don't really benefit from the haste use on Snowflake, unless you are well under cap. In all honesty I'd just use Solace and the 60 emblem trinket Purified Lunar Dust once you get the emblems. Until then I'd use Spark of Hope and Solace myself.

Depends how often you cast spells. The more spells you cast the worse Snowflake gets (as the amount of times it would've proc'd, but was inside CD increases) and the better Spark of Hope gets Where as if you have long breaks where there's no HoTs up (I don't think this ever happens...) Spark of Hope gives regen through spirit where as Snowflake gives none. So there's a peak at which Snowflake is better(this is like, 8 rejuvs up with a 12sec rejuv / perfect hase cap) but everywhere else Spark of Hope should be.

I'm currently using the Solace of the Defeated(non-heroic) and Sliver of Pure Ice, but was wondering if I should replace the Sliver for Purified Lunar Dust?

I'd also like to share a nice macro I've got for the Sliver:

#showtooltip Rejuvenation
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/use Sliver of Pure Ice
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/cast Rejuvenation

Casts Rejuv and uses the trinket whenever it's up, without giving you the 'that trinket is on cooldown' message or sound effect. Can be used for pretty much any spell(I've got it on LB, Rejuv, Regrowth, WG, Nourish and Switmend) by just you know, replacing the word "Rejuvenation" with the name of the desired spell. I haven't found a mod yet to alert me when it's up and I'm a bit careless and forgetful when it comes to my cooldowns so I thought it would be a good idea to automate the trinket.

Won't that waste the first cooldown?

Also, here's a macro for trinket activation that won't clear other unrelated error messages: