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Old 12/03/08, 5:24 AM   #31
Fallenangel
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While it's true that you don't need 5 tanks for 25 men raids, having a similar ratio of healers:raid-size for 5, 10 and 25 raids is a still a good thing from a guild-roster POV. The niche roles of healing is a concern, but it's more of a 10-men raid one, since you only have 2 healers in such raids.
Considering there are 4.5 specs of healing (haven't raided with disc priests myself), 6 spots doesn't sound too bad. Compare this to DPSers, which have 15-17 raid slots, that's more or less a slot per DPS spec.

Blue dragon - nerf it already. Can't say I'm fond of pure-regen trinkets, but this item has got to go.

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Old 12/03/08, 10:06 AM   #32
Kermit
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Aggramar (EU)
Originally Posted by Nitz View Post
Why would you substract Intensity regen ? It retains 30% of your spirit OO5SR mana regeneration, not adding 30% to your base spirit regen.
But the trinket and Intensity doesn't stack do they? Let's say you have 900 OO5SR-regen and 300 mp5 in combat, then I this trinket raises the regen with (900-300=) 600 during the proc. He was discussing the mp5 added by this trinket beyons normal regen, hence the intensity subtraction. Or did I completely misunderstand you?

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Old 12/03/08, 11:19 AM   #33
Vazu
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We haven't tried Sartharion with drakes up yet.

That said, I'm using:
[Majestic Dragon Figurine]
[Spirit-World Glass]

I stopped using MP5 and Spirit consumables because my regen is a little high. I switched to Frost Wyrm flasks and Firecracker Salmon. I agree with previous posters here. I just haven't encountered many situations where I was really in fear of going OOM. The only possible exception has been our first couple of Malygos kills where I was pushing it to make sure nobody died and probably overhealing. Even then, Innervate was way more than enough. Once I'm more fully decked in 25-man T7, and fill in a few more slots with BIS gear, I'll be regemming to spellpower or +int gems as well. I would love an Illustration trinket later as well. But we're giving those to our DPS casters first it seems.

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Old 12/03/08, 11:55 AM   #34
Playered
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You have 1000 mana regeneration.

Intensity sets you at 30% of that working in combat (300 MP5).
Innervate sets you at 100% (1000 MP5) and then adds an additional 400% (4000 MP5) to give you a final total of 5000 MP5.

Blue Dragon proc sets you at 100% (1000 MP5)
It doesn't "give you an extra 100%" regeneration.

Last edited by Playered : 12/11/08 at 9:12 AM.

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Old 12/03/08, 6:21 PM   #35
Lightflower
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Originally Posted by InSaen View Post
Someone correct me if i'm wrong:

[Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon] procs 2% of the time with no internal cooldown. So a druid with a one sec GCD casts ~50 times a minute. So it takes 50 casts (100/2 =50) to get the trinket to proc and we cast 50 times in 60 secs. So (15secs/60secs)*100% = 25% uptime. So using one of the spirit trinkets like [Majestic Dragon Figurine] for example, you would have ~1400mp5 out of 5 second rule, subtracting what we get from intensity that leaves 980mp5. So Blue dragon gives you 980mp5 inside the 5 second rule when it procs. With a 25% uptime that comes out to 245mp5 passively. So blue dragon alone is worth 245mp5 and the other spirit trinket is worth ~60mp5. Meaning from this combo alone we're sitting on 305mp5 just from trinkets.

Is this correct?
I don't think it's correct InSaen because I believe you are overestimating the proc rate of the trinket. With a 2% chance to proc & no ICD, you would not expect 1 proc every 50 casts. In fact, unless my probability calculation is way off, the chance of no proc in 50 casts would be 0.98^50 = 36.41%, going to 13.2% in 100 casts and 1.7% in 200 casts.

Hopefully I'm not too far off base but I would expect a realistic proc for the trinket is more likely once every 3-4 minutes. Obviously though, it has the possibility of going off multiple times in a fight.

At any rate, given spam casting with zero oFSR time where the value of Blue Dragon would be highest, the maximum benefit would be 2% of 100%/30% of Spirit. With 1000 Spirit, that equates to 66.67 which would put it quite firmly below other regen trinkets.

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Old 12/06/08, 4:47 AM   #36
Diz
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Exodar
[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
[Spirit-World Glass]

Opinions on using these two together on a resto druid?

I May end up using [Majestic Dragon Figurine] and the darkmoon card.

and does no one Consider[Darkmoon Card: Illusion] to be of any use for healing?

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Old 12/07/08, 3:20 PM   #37
Lord BEEF
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If you're getting the greatness card, I think the intellect version would probably be best overall. It seems silly to have an intellect proc but it really increases your regeneration significantly.

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Old 12/07/08, 4:15 PM   #38
Playered
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It probably will be, I can do some rough math later to check out a comparison.
However you will need to gear slightly more Spirit around it because otherwise you will not get a full mana pool return from Innervate (although not by any large amount) - and I usually like to have a buffer of around 3k~ from Innervate.

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Old 12/07/08, 6:12 PM   #39
Unseen
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Atleast with my current gear, if i'd get an intellect card it would still proc spirit for me.

For trinkets i personally am actually at a loss for what would be worth using. I'm currently using the dragon figurine and the badge trinket, as i haven't got my hands on any other good trinkets yet. Going double regen trinkets feels like a bad idea for now though, as my mana really isn't pushed too hard on any current 25man encounters (did sapph-kt-malygos-sartharion today, and i didn't use a single mana pot, nor did i innervate myself). I'm thinking [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] would probably be the best one to get. Ideally, i guess having 2 spell power and 2 regeneration trinkets available would be the best, and switch between them based on need.

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Old 12/07/08, 6:58 PM   #40
Playered
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Doh true :P Int card does not mean Int proc, silly me.

If its any encounter you have 0 mana issues at all then it is easy farm content that you do not need to specifically gear for, if you really want to ditch your 'regen' trinket for another power one then just get the badge one or some other generic 100~SP one to equip.

Illustration would be my 'forever' trinket that I doubt I would switch out at all, the loss of that much SP for more regeneration seems a bad trade off in any reasonable sence.
MDF would be my generic second trinket although in the case you mentioned I might throw Egg on for the sake of it, or if it gets to the point where no one else needs Forethought then maybe that as it should end up as a free HoT on the MT when I refresh RGs.

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Old 12/07/08, 7:37 PM   #41
Antkins
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Tauren Druid
 
Nagrand
i'm thinking of using -

[Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
[Majestic Dragon Figurine]


the reason that i am thinking of using 2 regen trinkets, is the fact that you can gear and gem differently in other slots. ie more haste / crit on gear, and put more +19 SP gems in slots. i've noticed in raids that there has been lots of rings, necks, back pieces, and various other items with no spirit on them, but really good other stats on them. so 2 regen trinkets could make up for that.

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Old 12/08/08, 5:01 PM   #42
ithecho84
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Originally Posted by Vazu View Post
We haven't tried Sartharion with drakes up yet.

That said, I'm using:
[Majestic Dragon Figurine]
[Spirit-World Glass]

I stopped using MP5 and Spirit consumables because my regen is a little high. I switched to Frost Wyrm flasks and Firecracker Salmon. I agree with previous posters here. I just haven't encountered many situations where I was really in fear of going OOM. The only possible exception has been our first couple of Malygos kills where I was pushing it to make sure nobody died and probably overhealing. Even then, Innervate was way more than enough. Once I'm more fully decked in 25-man T7, and fill in a few more slots with BIS gear, I'll be regemming to spellpower or +int gems as well. I would love an Illustration trinket later as well. But we're giving those to our DPS casters first it seems.
Those are excellent trinkets, but Spell Power literally is our highest rated stat, so you should have probably been using Frost Wyrm and Firecracker Salmon anyways. Also, is there something about Furor that you know that I don't? :3

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Old 12/08/08, 5:13 PM   #43
Vazu
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Uldum
Originally Posted by ithecho84 View Post
Those are excellent trinkets, but Spell Power literally is our highest rated stat, so you should have probably been using Frost Wyrm and Firecracker Salmon anyways. Also, is there something about Furor that you know that I don't? :3
That's a negative on Furor. I level'd as Moonkin and obviously went brain dead when I did my resto spec!
(I made level 70 about 2 months before WoTLK was released. Played a Warlock for pre-BC/BC..)

Thank you for noticing. Sheesh! I'll have to move things around a bit now.

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Old 12/08/08, 5:18 PM   #44
Lord BEEF
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I was using Spirit-World Glass and Magestic Dragon Figurine and it was just silly. I lucked into a JeTze's Bell shortly after and now I'm using the Figurine and the Bell. The figurine is worth about 207 spirit and 30 spellpower before Kings.

I like having regen trinkets but I don't think I need much more. I feel like I have as much regeneration as I did at 70 with sunwell gear.

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Old 12/10/08, 8:24 AM   #45
Nubreed
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Night Elf Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Lord BEEF View Post
I was using Spirit-World Glass and Magestic Dragon Figurine and it was just silly. I lucked into a JeTze's Bell shortly after and now I'm using the Figurine and the Bell. The figurine is worth about 207 spirit and 30 spellpower before Kings.

I like having regen trinkets but I don't think I need much more. I feel like I have as much regeneration as I did at 70 with sunwell gear.
I agree to this. I currently am only using the Majestic Dragon and another random trink and still feel as though my regen is through the roof. With the 280 Spirit which you stack in the first minute of any given encounter plus innervate (even more with the glyph) I haven't seemed to have had any mana problems in 10-25 man Naxx and 10-25 Sarth. I haven't tried in the Malygos encounter yet though.

I have debated moving back towards more spell power/haste and less spirit. What are the thoughts on using any of the haste trinkets to reduce GCD possibly to remove the GCD talent from a given build?

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