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Old 01/16/09, 8:09 AM   #101
KatZa
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Sinda
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Hello, I am a little tree with small healing experience, so I need an advice.

My WoW-Armory is this:
The World of Warcraft Armory

So you can see, that my items are not the best I can have at this moment.

Currently I am using those two trinkets -
[The Egg of Mortal Essence]
[Figurine - Sapphire Owl] with 2 gems, each 32 spellpower.

In my bank I have this trinket [Majestic Dragon Figurine] but I really do not know if it will be good to change one of my to this.

So I need an advice.
Thank you.

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Old 01/16/09, 9:32 AM   #102
Ynox
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Ok if you use Sapphire Owl then make a Manaregen Trinket of it, with 2x 16 Spirit Gem, JC gems in a Trinket is no good Idea, because if you want 2 real SP trinkets you have to drop Sapphire Owl and then you only have 1 JC gem in your equip which is a loss of 26 SP and 2x Socket bonus.

For the topic on Dragon Figurine just read Page 4 of the Thread there are the answers.

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Old 01/16/09, 3:19 PM   #103
Malusdei
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I can't seem to find this anywhere so I'm posting here, sorry if I missed an earlier post. Which is the better choice DM: Greatness Int or DM: Greatness Spi? I am looking for a regen trinket and am trying to figure out which one would be the better choice in the log run. I want to replace my Alchy stone with this card and am trying to figure out the best bang for my buck in terms of regen, the Int card with a spi proc or a spi card with a spi proc.
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Old 01/16/09, 3:50 PM   #104
athanyel
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Originally Posted by trismegistus View Post
Does the [Crazy Alchemist's Potion] give you an elixir buff that overrides your current buff the same as [Mad Alchemist's Potion]? If so, then it would be inadvisable to use this in a raid encounter as you will lose your flask/elixir buff.
No, the Crazy Alchemist's Potion gives you a random potion effect (Indestructible, Wild Magic, Speed, etc.) instead of the elixir buffs from the Mad Alchemist's Potion. This random potion effect can also be healing, mana or both.

In 3.0.8, the potion will provide health and mana in addition to the random potion effect. You can actually get both the base health and mana and the effect of a Powerful Rejuvenation Potion. As of 9464, the "base" health and mana do not benefit from the Alchemist's Stone buff though.

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Old 01/16/09, 5:28 PM   #105
uliko
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Originally Posted by Malusdei View Post
I can't seem to find this anywhere so I'm posting here, sorry if I missed an earlier post. Which is the better choice DM: Greatness Int or DM: Greatness Spi? I am looking for a regen trinket and am trying to figure out which one would be the better choice in the log run.
Int version will give you more mana.

Why hit food is bad
"You have to spend 10 seconds to apply it, you have to fish it and you cant use the feast."

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Old 01/16/09, 10:19 PM   #106
Ynox
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Originally Posted by Malusdei View Post
I can't seem to find this anywhere so I'm posting here, sorry if I missed an earlier post. Which is the better choice DM: Greatness Int or DM: Greatness Spi? I am looking for a regen trinket and am trying to figure out which one would be the better choice in the log run. I want to replace my Alchy stone with this card and am trying to figure out the best bang for my buck in terms of regen, the Int card with a spi proc or a spi card with a spi proc.
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Its here a huge colored blinkig Post about Regen Trinkets

and first Replace your Meta if you need for regen. Again 25 SP < 59 SP and 50 Haste + Potion effect.

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Old 01/19/09, 11:17 PM   #107
Lightflower
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I got the MDF last night and decided to give it a go. What I found was that it felt like it was severely limiting my ability to take advantage of OoC procs to escape the FSR. Whether or not it actually was, I'll have to test some more - but my initial experience was that I felt very much hemmed in by the 10 second window and would often refresh early in order to ensure that it never dropped.

Maybe I just need to practice more & learn some skill

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Old 01/19/09, 11:37 PM   #108
Playered
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Originally Posted by Lightflower View Post
I got the MDF last night and decided to give it a go. What I found was that it felt like it was severely limiting my ability to take advantage of OoC procs to escape the FSR. Whether or not it actually was, I'll have to test some more - but my initial experience was that I felt very much hemmed in by the 10 second window and would often refresh early in order to ensure that it never dropped.

Maybe I just need to practice more & learn some skill

Are you sure you have played a Resto Druid before? or in WoTLK at all? of all the classes to have to be worried about a 10 second window.. gosh.. part of me hopes you brought the character in your profile.

We should be able to see soon but IDS (according to Uliko the wise) gained a proc every time you did healing as in HoT ticks, which could result in doing the same for MDF. If this is the case then you will not have to worry about refreshing your MDF stack... just your Lifebloom one instead.

Am I going out on a limb by assuming you have the HT Glyph?

Last edited by Playered : 01/19/09 at 11:46 PM.

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Old 01/20/09, 2:51 AM   #109
Lightflower
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Dath'Remar
Originally Posted by Playered View Post
Are you sure you have played a Resto Druid before? or in WoTLK at all? of all the classes to have to be worried about a 10 second window.. gosh.. part of me hopes you brought the character in your profile.
I guess I wasn't clear sorry. The fight I was testing it on was Maly 10 man and I was one of two healers and was the only raid healer. I found that the damage in P1 was so sporadic that I felt that I had to refresh something early to avoid the possibility of the stack dropping off. Maybe I was just being paranoid.

If my question offends you so much that you need to suggest I ebayed my character then I won't bother asking whether anyone else has had a similar experience.

We should be able to see soon but IDS (according to Uliko the wise) gained a proc every time you did healing as in HoT ticks, which could result in doing the same for MDF. If this is the case then you will not have to worry about refreshing your MDF stack... just your Lifebloom one instead.
To the best of my knowledge, HoT ticks were not refreshing the MDF stack. It appeared to only refresh on active casts. On the majority of fights (where I have at least one tank assigned to me) then there should be no problem maintaing the stack.

Am I going out on a limb by assuming you have the HT Glyph?
SM, RG & LB glyphs.

Anyway, sorry for the confusion, next time I'll be sure to mention the fight that I was testing it on - perhaps Maly 10 just isn't a good fight to use that trinket.

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Old 01/20/09, 3:48 AM   #110
Baranak
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Proudmoore
I'm surprised to be honest that you have time to stop casting in that fight. Unless it's right out of vortex, there really isn't a time that I find to stop casting a HoT. Even if the damage is sporadic, pre-HoTing is never a bad idea for that fight since his arcane bolts are pretty random and 4-5 take it at a time. There's enough raid damage going around that I find myself refreshing it through the odd rejuvenation or heal to the tank that it's enough to keep the trinket going.

But back on point, having it drop off on that fight, or any fight really should be pretty bad in terms of lost MP5 and SP. I can honestly not think of a fight where I'm casting a HoT for no reason within a 10 second time frame. It may seem mana-inefficient to cast, but in all honesty, I haven't had much mana issues after picking up the trinket. When you say issues with taking advantage of OoC, what are you getting at? If you're on raid healing, why not just throw out a WG anyways? It's better than losing a constant ~67mp5 and ~190mp5 oo5sr.

As far as IDS and MDF proc-ing off HoT ticks, I'm surprised it doesn't work when you cast a crit RG to proc Seed. Unless I'm misinformed, scorch procs the trinkets multiple times over a single cast.

edit - Scorch crits rather.
edit2 - #'s are wrong, it's more regen in 5sr and ~32 spell, doh. Got my #'s mixed up, my bad.

Last edited by Baranak : 01/20/09 at 4:34 AM.

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Old 01/20/09, 4:10 AM   #111
Lightflower
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Originally Posted by Baranak View Post
I'm surprised to be honest that you have time to stop casting in that fight. Unless it's right out of vortex, there really isn't a time that I find to stop casting a HoT. Even if the damage is sporadic, pre-HoTing is never a bad idea for that fight since his arcane bolts are pretty random and 4-5 take it at a time. There's enough raid damage going around that I find myself refreshing it through the odd rejuvenation or heal to the tank that it's enough to keep the trinket going.
In 10 man only 3 people seem to be taking the arcane bolts at once. I found it pretty easy to heal up in time for the next one.

At any rate, I am guilty of being stupid and not giving all the pertinent information in my first post and I do apologise. The reason why I was not so keen on the MDF was that I replaced the Spirit World Glass with it for Malygos 10 and was less than impressed at the difference.

Your points (and Playered's points are noted) and I am sorry for not thinking things through and realising that it would be good on the vast majority of fights.

But back on point, having it drop off on that fight, or any fight really should be pretty bad in terms of lost MP5 and SP.
Yep, I was super paranoid about that which was probably affecting my play badly.

I can honestly not think of a fight where I'm casting a HoT for no reason within a 10 second time frame. It may seem mana-inefficient to cast, but in all honesty, I haven't had much mana issues after picking up the trinket. When you say issues with taking advantage of OoC, what are you getting at? If you're on raid healing, why not just throw out a WG anyways? It's better than losing a constant 33mp5 and ~190mp5 oo5sr.
Oh, I agree. My issue came with the contrast between MDF & the Glass where, with the Glass, you would lose nothing by not tossing that WG and thus be able to maintain more ooFSR time.

As far as IDS and MDF proc-ing off HoT ticks, I'm surprised it doesn't work when you cast a crit RG to proc Seed. Unless I'm misinformed, scorch procs the trinkets multiple times over a single cast.
I think I'll attempt to redeem myself and go do some testing and post the results back here.


EDIT

I've done some testing within the limits of my Resto spec and found the following:

What works:
All healing, offensive, buff and debuff spell casts proc and increase the MDF stack. I was unable to test Insect Swarm, Typhoon or Starfall.
Hurricane procs it on the first cast and increases the stack each time it does damage. The initial hit of Hurricane also increases the stack.

What doesn't:
Shapeshifting does not proc MDF and does not increase the stack.
Feral attacks and abilities of any kind available in a Resto spec neither proc nor increase the stack.
HoT ticks and LB bloom do not proc and do not increase the stack.
The application of the Living Seed buff, application of Natural Perfection buff, application of Clearcasting and the application of Nature's Grace all neither proc nor increase the stack.
Living Seed heals do not proc or increase the stack (in other news, falling damage does not activate Living Seed :P)
Creating and using a bandage both do not proc the MDF nor do they increase the stack.

Last edited by Lightflower : 01/20/09 at 5:13 AM.

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Old 01/20/09, 4:29 AM   #112
Nitz
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Hm, I usually keep a stack of Lifebloom on the main tank, even on raid healing duty, and a 10 second Lifebloom matches perfectly the MDF's stack duration.

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Old 01/20/09, 8:29 AM   #113
Playered
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Tauren Druid
 
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Originally Posted by Lightflower View Post
I've done some testing within the limits of my Resto spec and found the following:

What works:
All healing, offensive, buff and debuff spell casts proc and increase the MDF stack. I was unable to test Insect Swarm, Typhoon or Starfall.
Hurricane procs it on the first cast and increases the stack each time it does damage. The initial hit of Hurricane also increases the stack.

What doesn't:
Shapeshifting does not proc MDF and does not increase the stack.
Feral attacks and abilities of any kind available in a Resto spec neither proc nor increase the stack.
HoT ticks and LB bloom do not proc and do not increase the stack.
The application of the Living Seed buff, application of Natural Perfection buff, application of Clearcasting and the application of Nature's Grace all neither proc nor increase the stack.
Living Seed heals do not proc or increase the stack (in other news, falling damage does not activate Living Seed :P)
Creating and using a bandage both do not proc the MDF nor do they increase the stack.
I'm sorry for seeming aggressive but honestly there should be no encounter in game beyond one which disables you for 10 seconds which should cause a Resto Druid any issues (or reasons) with being able to maintain a MDF stack.

If you tested this on live then the results are useless as the 'probable' changes were done in the second to last version of the PTR which modified triggering spells on IDS at least, which is why I said we will know soon for MDF (because the patch is coming today).

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Old 01/20/09, 8:38 PM   #114
George
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Tauren Druid
 
Aman'Thul
the IDS trinket has changed since the patch. here are my observations:

All direct heals are proccing my trinket including those that are 100% overhealing.
HoT ticks that apply healing are proccing the trinket.
HoT spell casts are not proccing my trinket.
HoT ticks that are 100% overheal (and thus do not appear in the combat log) are not proocing my trinket.

i do not have a MDF to test but could anyone confirm if it is working the same way?

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Old 01/20/09, 9:15 PM   #115
Gamli
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Aman'Thul
So yeah i did some testing this morning on the MDF.

So far:

The MDF no longer procs of instant casts (LB, RJ and WG)
The MDF only procs of casted spells (RG, Nourish and HT etc..)
The MDF does not proc off HoT ticks either

Can anyone confirm if this is a bug or is this working as intended ?

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Old 01/20/09, 9:46 PM   #116
KrinKer
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So

Same thing for Figurine. Had a guildie try it now, only direct heals will proc it

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Old 01/20/09, 10:04 PM   #117
Gamli
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Originally Posted by KrinKer View Post
So

Same thing for Figurine. Had a guildie try it now, only direct heals will proc it
Is this in reply to my post....or the one above mine. Because if your replying to George its not actually the same thing for the MDF.

The MDF does not proc off hot ticks that cause healing whereas George states the IDS does.

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Old 01/20/09, 10:17 PM   #118
Baranak
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I can confirm that IDS procs off LB, RJ ticks, have yet tried RG.

Does anyone know if MDF is working as intended?

edit - IDS procs off RG

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Old 01/20/09, 11:03 PM   #119
George
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it appears that it is intended that these trinkets no longer proc off casting buffs but that MDF is bugged currently and should be proccing off HoT ticks (that heal) just as IDS is.

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Old 01/21/09, 12:22 AM   #120
KrinKer
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Originally Posted by Gamli View Post
Is this in reply to my post....or the one above mine. Because if your replying to George its not actually the same thing for the MDF.

The MDF does not proc off hot ticks that cause healing whereas George states the IDS does.
I meant illustration

My bad.

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Old 01/21/09, 3:38 AM   #121
SyZ
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Khaz Modan
Anybody have any thoughts on Flow of Knowledge for pve?

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Old 01/21/09, 6:01 AM   #122
Nitz
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The 84 resilience trinket with the Sundial of the Exiled's proc ? It is bad, why would you take it ?

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Old 01/22/09, 1:17 AM   #123
Baranak
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Proudmoore
^ was spell crit / 590 for 10 on PTR, got changed apparently on live to Resilience.

Seems like IDS and MDF proc now on spell cast and not on HoT Proc.

What's going on with these trinkets?

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Old 01/22/09, 2:13 AM   #124
Lightflower
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I'd say they hotfixed them after GC acknowledged the bug with MDF. I haven't had a chance to log in to test my MDF yet so I can't offer anything more constructive than that.

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Old 01/22/09, 8:58 AM   #125
Nitz
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MDF works fine now.

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