For normal mode Plea or even Spark are not that essential because you have the clouds to sustain you and you have the ability to cast fairly frequently to maintain your stack.
Hardmode however will be hard to keep up an IDS stack because of the nature of conservation required and sadly OOC does not proc that often nor can you easily run off to SCrash every time it drops to restack it. Spark and potentially Plea are far better trinkets for hardmode and if you wanted a SP trinket then potentially something like Forethought would be good or anything with static SP (and no MP5 proc, depending).
Did hardmode-vezax-10 this weekend and IDS was awful, kept falling off. If you're doing it normally then it's fine since it's easy to keep a lifebloom stack on the tank which also refreshes IDS.
Yeah, have not attempted hardmode Vezax but I can see this being the case. To be honest I can't think of a single hardmode where I would want to have IDS equipped. What I have done runs me dry relatively quickly, and I see double regen trinkets as almost a necessity.
I agree with your accessment of easymode Vezax though, Playered. Even though you're pinched at times, if you're popping clouds, its essentially endless mana. I'd rather use something else with spellpower(which is why I chose Plea, the proc is worth 141 passive SP which is the most available in the trinket slot outside a full stack of IDS). And obviously hardmode is a completely different ballgame.
So, unless I'm missing something, it does not give huge throughput returns. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like IDS ranks fairly low on the throughput trinket rankings.
Hey, i was wondering what you guys thought of this combination for trinkets. I don't have tons of mana issues so i don't feel the need for a trinket like Spark of hope, but i was thinking something like this combo. I am really big on the +spell power equip from trinkets, not really big on any of the others although im sure they are worth it too i just find the all aroun boost to SP helps a bit more then say crit or spirit.
Sif's Remembrance until i can get Show of faith.
And Scale of fates(im lacking haste atm an its a pure upgrade and i can control the haste boost). This trinket would comepletely replace my egg which is terribad.
That way i get both +spell bonus's from the equip and i have one trinket to help me on mana intenstive fights. I plan on going for Show of faith but im trying to figure out what my other trinket should be. Any suggestions
Hey, i was wondering what you guys thought of this combination for trinkets. I don't have tons of mana issues so i don't feel the need for a trinket like Spark of hope, but i was thinking something like this combo. I am really big on the +spell power equip from trinkets, not really big on any of the others although im sure they are worth it too i just find the all aroun boost to SP helps a bit more then say crit or spirit.
Sif's Remembrance until i can get Show of faith.
And Scale of fates(im lacking haste atm an its a pure upgrade and i can control the haste boost). This trinket would comepletely replace my egg which is terribad.
That way i get both +spell bonus's from the equip and i have one trinket to help me on mana intenstive fights. I plan on going for Show of faith but im trying to figure out what my other trinket should be. Any suggestions (and no i don't really have the time or money to get IDS)
I mean this in the nicest way possible - if you don't have IDS and you go a reset without running OS25, you're doing it wrong. You can 10-15 man it with no drakes with guildies, or completely pug it. It takes a half hour, at most.
That being said, Forethought Talisman (which you already have) isn't bad for straight throughput. Haste is better as a passive effect - you want to have a 1 second GCD as often as possible, you don't need to bother clicking trinkets during Bloodlust/Eclipse procs that the Scale offers.
Here is an even better way to put it and i really want to know, what trinkets do you guys think are BIS for throughput and boosting healing(not for mana intensive fights). If mana is no issue, what trinkets would increase throughput the most an boost healing done the most?plz explain also.
Yeah, have not attempted hardmode Vezax but I can see this being the case. To be honest I can't think of a single hardmode where I would want to have IDS equipped. What I have done runs me dry relatively quickly, and I see double regen trinkets as almost a necessity.
This isn't my experience at all, and I haven't even been lucky enough to get a Spark yet so still using Jetse's Bell as my second trinket, with IDS as #1. In 10man I am one of two healers for XT, Freya, and General Vezax hard-modes and use IDS for all of them without mana issues except on General Vezax. We use 3 healers for IC 10man hard-mode and again, no mana issues. I admit that I haven't healed heroic hard-modes yet and am usually dpsing there, but so far I see HPS as far more valuable than HPM as a general trend in Ulduar.
On Vezax, we use myself and a holy paladin as the only healers and so far it's working great. I prehot and just maintain a 3stack of lifebloom throughout the encounter and also keep rejuv up. I refresh rejuv immediately after every 2nd lifebloom refresh so increase the odds that OOC procs are used on lifeblooms, and swiftmend if the tank dips under 50% hp. The paladin mostly just uses FoL to stabilize. Even without a spark, my paladin and I both consistently go into P2 with ~40% mana to burn.
With the innervate change, MDF is pretty poor for regen (using it until I get a Spark or Sif's). Surely the SP from Faith would far outweigh the extra 15mp5 or so you get from MDF - for instance, by using a regen flask or regen food.
This isn't my experience at all, and I haven't even been lucky enough to get a Spark yet so still using Jetse's Bell as my second trinket, with IDS as #1. In 10man I am one of two healers for XT, Freya, and General Vezax hard-modes and use IDS for all of them without mana issues except on General Vezax. We use 3 healers for IC 10man hard-mode and again, no mana issues. I admit that I haven't healed heroic hard-modes yet and am usually dpsing there, but so far I see HPS as far more valuable than HPM as a general trend in Ulduar.
On Vezax, we use myself and a holy paladin as the only healers and so far it's working great. I prehot and just maintain a 3stack of lifebloom throughout the encounter and also keep rejuv up. I refresh rejuv immediately after every 2nd lifebloom refresh so increase the odds that OOC procs are used on lifeblooms, and swiftmend if the tank dips under 50% hp. The paladin mostly just uses FoL to stabilize. Even without a spark, my paladin and I both consistently go into P2 with ~40% mana to burn.
10 man is incredibly easy, I agree. Even for some of the easy 25 hardmodes (Hodir), you can afford to go throughput if you're innervating yourself as its really nothing but a race.
Most other things it isn't really possible though, in my experiences. And since I chose to never innervate myself, ever (and I expect this mindset to spread once people realize how amazing it is now that it isn't spirit based), I pretty much go longevity on anything mildly difficult.
10 man is incredibly easy, I agree. Even for some of the easy 25 hardmodes (Hodir), you can afford to go throughput if you're innervating yourself as its really nothing but a race.
Most other things it isn't really possible though, in my experiences. And since I chose to never innervate myself, ever (and I expect this mindset to spread once people realize how amazing it is now that it isn't spirit based), I pretty much go longevity on anything mildly difficult.
You're gimping yourself if you don't use your own innervate. Every other healer gets regen from crits AND regen from spirit/Mp5 AND regen from their own forms of innervate(shadowfiend/hymn, mana tide, divine plea). By not using your own innervate you, as you say yourself, have to gem/gear towards more longevity and less towards throughput. And in my experiences I have yet to hear complaints about mana from any of the other healers I run with.
With the innervate change, MDF is pretty poor for regen (using it until I get a Spark or Sif's). Surely the SP from Faith would far outweigh the extra 15mp5 or so you get from MDF - for instance, by using a regen flask or regen food.
You should never use the Mp5 flask. The spellpower one will always be better unless they buff the Mp5 flask by a lot. Flask is the last place to look for regen.
This isn't my experience at all, and I haven't even been lucky enough to get a Spark yet so still using Jetse's Bell as my second trinket, with IDS as #1. In 10man I am one of two healers for XT, Freya, and General Vezax hard-modes and use IDS for all of them without mana issues except on General Vezax. We use 3 healers for IC 10man hard-mode and again, no mana issues. I admit that I haven't healed heroic hard-modes yet and am usually dpsing there, but so far I see HPS as far more valuable than HPM as a general trend in Ulduar.
On Vezax, we use myself and a holy paladin as the only healers and so far it's working great. I prehot and just maintain a 3stack of lifebloom throughout the encounter and also keep rejuv up. I refresh rejuv immediately after every 2nd lifebloom refresh so increase the odds that OOC procs are used on lifeblooms, and swiftmend if the tank dips under 50% hp. The paladin mostly just uses FoL to stabilize. Even without a spark, my paladin and I both consistently go into P2 with ~40% mana to burn.
Keeping a full stack of lifebloom going through General is a very inefficient way to do that fight unless you're using the shadow crash to restack.
We do it with me and a disc priest who uses the shadow crashes while I melee for OoC procs. I never ever use lifebloom without a proc. I'm amazed you can do hard mode the way you're talking about it. I would be oom in minutes without spark doing that.
Okay I've read through the past couple of pages but I can't seem to figure out what would be best.
From what I'm understanding Regen isn't much of a problem for Druids.
So I'm going from moonkin to resto for this new guild I apped too, and my original trinket combination was Egg of the Immortal Essence and Forethought Talisman, but they told me that wasn't a good combination, so I switched the Egg with the Majestic Dragon Figurine.
What do you all think would be the better combination?
Okay I've read through the past couple of pages but I can't seem to figure out what would be best.
From what I'm understanding Regen isn't much of a problem for Druids.
So I'm going from moonkin to resto for this new guild I apped too, and my original trinket combination was Egg of the Immortal Essence and Forethought Talisman, but they told me that wasn't a good combination, so I switched the Egg with the Majestic Dragon Figurine.
What do you all think would be the better combination?
Unless you're doing hardmodes I would never wear a regen trinket. If you are going to wear one get Spark or Pandora's Plea. Your mana consumption will drive what trinket you need to wear, but I see no reason you would not use the 2 spell power trinkets.
It also depends on how well your healing counterparts are doing their job. Personally I find myself carrying a lot of slack in our raids, so currently my gear is set up towards mostly regen. I would rather have a little less SP right now than run out of mana. If your teammates are on the ball however (as they really should be), you should go for the haste softcap then just mad sp. This applies to trinkets.
Nasty place for a double negative. Can you please confirm that you meant to say that the Forethought Talisman does proc off the 4T8 bonus? I can't test myself since I am not in possession of 4T8 yet.
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Unless you're doing hardmodes I would never wear a regen trinket. If you are going to wear one get Spark or Pandora's Plea. Your mana consumption will drive what trinket you need to wear, but I see no reason you would not use the 2 spell power trinkets.
I am sure he appreciates the suggestion, but I do not believe he has either of those trinkets. In the choices he has, I would use MDF and FT(used them myself for a while). Pandora's Plea is not nearly the regen trinket that spark is, but it is pretty awesome. I read somewhere it is about 141 sp avg. and about 59mp5. I know some people don't like sp proc trinkets, but so far I adore mine.
I am sure he appreciates the suggestion, but I do not believe he has either of those trinkets. In the choices he has, I would use MDF and FT(used them myself for a while). Pandora's Plea is not nearly the regen trinket that spark is, but it is pretty awesome. I read somewhere it is about 141 sp avg. and about 59mp5. I know some people don't like sp proc trinkets, but so far I adore mine.
I've found it dam near impossible to get one over the pallies and shammies so far, but 141 SP and 60 mp5 as you said makes it essentially BiS in my mind.
Since that SP passive buff is unlikely to be wasted by a druid who essentially chain casts, you can easily assume the average to be very close to 140.
I've found it dam near impossible to get one over the pallies and shammies so far, but 141 SP and 60 mp5 as you said makes it essentially BiS in my mind.
Since that SP passive buff is unlikely to be wasted by a druid who essentially chain casts, you can easily assume the average to be very close to 140.
Which trinket are you referring to that has those stats?
05/24/09, 7:34 AM
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