aramisx

You know, I'm new to this forum, and still relatively new to the game as I've only been playing for about six months, so I can say that this list in particular is so helpful. I've been wondering what kinds of things I should be looking at.

Now it may just be my naite, but I'm really loving the Renewal of Life and the Loop of the Kirin Tor. Is it wrong to regard the mp5 over the SP? I can't seem to make a consensus based on this really long thread debating such things.

 

hotalicious

Once you have the regen to support yourself through Naxx then Spell Power is our most "powerful" stat. Powerful essentially meaning that for each point of Spell Power, you gain more benefit that you would from lets say...spirit, haste, whatever.

Is it wrong to go mp5 now? No. As your gear improves it will become unneeded. This is just for Naxx/Maly/Sarth (current content). Ulduar could change all that. Will the fights require more longevity and less pure healing power? What will the new mana regen changes bring? We shall see. Right now there really isn't a "wrong" way to do anything.

This is my $.02. Hope it helps!

 

trismegistus

The problem I see with grabbing gear solely based on spell power is that you ignore other benefits of the other stats. True, the content is very forgiving currently and you can be less strict, but why do this? I don't see this as a reason to be lazy with your stats just because you can and still get away with it. We should all know by now that healing meters are useless for measuring effectiveness, so why keep pushing the same old tired mantra? Just because Spi isn't used to calculate the ToL bonus doesn't mean it should be ignored. It still provides the basis for Innervate calculations and current mana regen. Recommending gear that you think will be more useful in the next patch when it isn't even on PTR is just foolishness.

The way I see it, Druid should continue to practice balanced stat gearing. In this spirit, theses three rings are best in slot and can be mixed as your budget and/or the RNG determines best.

[Lost Jewel]
[Band of Channeled Magic]
[Loop of the Kirin Tor]

In terms of itemization, Loop of the Kirin Tor is the best, but doesn't have the highest spell power. If we can get a ring with these stats in 3.1 but with higher numbers, it will be the clear #1 choice.

 

malthrin

Blizzard quotes from last night on the mechanics and magnitude of the nerf to spirit regen. The coefficient at 80 is 0.005575. Based on the Innervate comment, we can probably expect to lose around 1/4-1/3 of that, and correspondingly see Intensity bumped up to 40 or 50%.

 

Fallenangel

If innervate is changed to 75% of your mana bar (roughly) then the Great-Regen-Nerf of 3.1 will boil down to losing about 65mp5 in current gear levels. No-change, anyone?

 

• Playered

[Napkin math]: In order to get my Innervate down to around 75%~ we would be looking at a coefficient change to around 0.004 and Intensity would have to go between 40-45%, resulting in a general 30%~ reduction to the regeneration formula.

Guess we won't have long to wait to see what actually happens but those seem to be roughly the figures I assumed they would weaken it by (or well the worst I thought we would get hit by was a 40% reduction, turning Intensity to 50%).

[e] Fallen I don't know where you are getting the MP5 loss from..?

 

• Arawethion

e: nm

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

Fallenangel

Assuming 19k mana pool, you "lose" 25% of it every 6 minutes from the innervate nerf = 65mp5.
Granted that's not really accurate, shorter fights will mean this nerfs hit harder, otoh innervate isn't used when you're at 0 mana. In adddition, on fights that last 7-9 minutes innervate is usually used only once, further reducing the impact.

Edit: Did innervate really give 75% of the mana-bar pre 2.4? Didn't play a resto seriously then but I recall it was lower.

 

Cube

If I recall correctly, it was around there for T6 geared resto druids. However, that was mainly because the standard gemming practice was to use healing/MP5 gems rather than for spirit because MP5 gave a greater return per item point.

After 2.4, I remember regemming all of my Healing/MP5 gems for Healing/spirit and pure Healing gems because the increased in 5sr MP5 and innervate's relative increase gave me way too much MP5.

 

• Playered

Heh I was right
This post states that:
"The amount of base mana regen granted has been reduced 40%."
"The effects of talents that provide mana regen while casting have been increased by 67%. This includes: /snip/ Intensity and Meditation are now 17/33/50% mana regen while casting (up from 10/20/30%)."

This now means OO5SR regeneration is double your normal regeneration down from 3x. Your Innervate should also go down 40% so that if you currently got a 25k mana restore now gives you 15k.

 

Paininabox

Cool, thanks for the update, Playered. Now to plug this change into my spreadsheets and such to see how this'll look...

Level 80 Restoration Druid Spreadsheet here.
(v1.41)

 

aramisx

wow...i missed a lot apparently in this whole discussion....so recap for me please:

Innervate is being nerfed significantly while mana regen talents are being buffed?

Its times like these i wish I would have spec'd Resto from the beginning instead of switching from Feral because i often feel so clueless. :P

 

red

1) "While casting" (as in, when you've cast a spell in the last 5 seconds), there will be effectively no change.
2) "While not casting" (cast no spell in the last 5 seconds), you will regen much less mana per second. Like 2/3 of what it is now. So if you stop casting and wait a little bit, you'll get much less benefit than you do now.
3) Innervate will restore significantly less mana than it does now.

 

voxxington

I'd just like to clarify the mathematics behind the mana regen nerf. I've seen several times that there will be 'no change', in regards to our current mp5 while casting. Some napkin math shows:

1000 mp5 outside 5 second rule
333 mp5 inside 5 second rule

Going by 40% reduction to the out of casting regen, and a 50% value to Intensity, up from 30%, should give us:

600 mp5 outside 5 second rule
300 mp5 inside 5 second rule

Granted, it isn't substantial, but fully raid buffed it could be noticable. Is my math off in this case, or are people simply writing off the 40-50 mp5 nerf as insignificant?

*edit* The 40-50 value I'm taking from an estimated 'raid buffed' situation.

 

Cadsuane

If u got 1000mp5 outside 5 second rule,
then your mp5 inside 5 second rule should be 300.
This is all from spirit that is getting changed. The 33 extra would come from baseline or straight mp5 that isn't getting changed.

So your regen inside the 5 second rule should be the same.

 

voxxington

Er. Right. I'm an idiot, and my napkin math was using 33% instead of 30%. Things make much more sense now, once I use the correct value.

 

aramisx

got it, thanks man! much appreciated....apparently asking a simple question like that around here is a bad thing because I got an email saying as much? O.o

Anyhow, now I understand what the last few pages of this thread were about.

So about this nerf, I'm sure there's going to be lots of ways in which we'll make up for it, for example the talent point regen buff? I just don't understand why the change? I mean, it seems like things are going okay now at least from a noob Resto perspective. I really don't have a problem with regen and mine isn't has high as the average Resto's...I think i'm lookin at lower 600s? I've seen some people 1000+. I guess once these changes are made I'll see what exactly the difference its making, a point some said earlier and I agree with.

 

aramisx

Indeed it does, thanks!

 

Turb

I see the OP updated his/her post the other day with a BiS gear list but left the softcap haste numbers stated there unchanged. The following posts identify what appears to be a reasonably significant nerf to these numbers in 3.0.8 and the potential need to spec into Celestial Focus in order to hit the softcap:

http://elitistjerks.com/1079250-post270.html

http://elitistjerks.com/1079687-post272.html

http://elitistjerks.com/1080740-post276.html

So I was just posting to suggest that the OP might amend the post to reflect this (unless he/she disagrees with what Zoltair has to say?)

 

• uliko

No, you will never need CF to hit the haste soft cap which is 360 rating.

Why hit food is bad
"You have to spend 10 seconds to apply it, you have to fish it and you cant use the feast."

 

Turb

I guess "need to" wasn't quite the right choice of words. But as I understand it, 360 is now the soft cap assuming the availability of WoA and IMA/SRA with no points in CF, and not 220 as it was before 3.0.8 and as stated in the OP. If you don't have the gear required to get you to 360, or you have other items that you could be trading off in those slots, or you find yourself in raids without those buffs, then speccing into CF is another way to hit the (now much higher) softcap.

 

Nitz

By the way is [Headpiece of Reconciliation] fixed yet on the PTR ? I hate having it sitting in my bank.

 

Fateblade

480 Armor
+85 Stamina
+86 Intellect
+60 Spirit

meta socket & Yellow Socket
+9 Spell power socket bonus

60 Haste Rating
113 Spell Power

Enjoy!!!

 

Norfair

Thanks, I updated the first post with the list from the other thread because someone asked me to and didn't seem like a bad idea, but forgot to update the haste numbers as well. When 3.1 becomes Live and several mechanics (like mana regeneration) are changed I will do a full update on the first post.

Keep f**king that chicken.

 

◊ Earen

I understand that you are trying to make a comprehensive list of items that many people can use as a reference, and many people will use as a reference, which I think is both helpful and a good resource for many players and I commend you for undertaking such a daunting task. That being said I think it is imprudent to ignore a couple of very solid drops that are surprisingly not on your list (some which are arguably considered best in slot by many players).

For example, I really think that the Necklace of the Glittering Chamber should be on that list as it is comprable, if not better, than the Chains of Adoration which is one of the two necks you mention. I am also quite baffeled as to why the Spaulders of Catatonia are missing. Many people have mentioned these and made a solid argument for why they might be considered best in slot (in this thread even!). Why are these two items missing?

I know that there has been a lot of crit vs. haste debate here, and a lot of suggestions as to what item is best and why, but does anyone argue that the two items mentioned about are solid items (at the minimum comprable to those mentioned already) that should be acknowledged in a compilation of "best gear" available?

I am just trying to make sure your list remains a solid and reliable source, Nofair!

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