When I mouse over my rejuv (in tree form with 3/3 moonglow) it says 415 mana (with 2T7), and 446 (normal).

Thanks for the post under me.

So in an effort to distill some of the aforementioned wisdom, I went ahead and took a shot at making a best in slot list. While this list is by no means exhaustive and is arguable at points, I did give preference to gear with spirit on it since there inevitably will come a day when regen will matter much more than it does in farm status. Also I do understand that you could skip the regen for purer dps pieces, however I'll let someone else work on that list.


[Hood of Rationality]
[Necklace of the Glittering Chamber]
[Spaulders of Catatonia]
[Cape of the Unworthy Wizard]
[Valorous Dreamwalker Robe] / ([Blanketing Robes of Snow])
[Bands of Impurity] / ([Unsullied Cuffs])
[Valorous Dreamwalker Handguards]
[Leash of Heedless Magic]
[Leggings of Mortal Arrogance]
[Boots of Persuasion] / ([Arcanic Tramplers])
[Lost Jewel]
[Band of Channeled Magic]
[Illustration of the Dragon Soul]
[Forethought Talisman]
[Torch of Holy Fire]
[Accursed Spine]


I am making this list with an emphasis on Critical Strike and Throughput. I am using Regrowth as my main spell which can be buffed by haste and crit. So heavily stacking crit will achieve 76.31% with raid buffs. This then increases haste through the Nature's Grace talent. Also Crit buffs Living seed which is not generally accounting for much of my healing, however it does add more throughput. I am making an attempt to reach the soft haste cap of 220 in order to achieve the 1 second gcd assuming raid buffs. And I am going for the 2-piece set bonus since it is quite good however the 4-piece set bonus is in my mind quite cumbersome while there is better gear available in those slots, and I rarely cast Nourish. There are several pieces that I am choosing with an emphasis of crit over spellpower in order to maximize this (14/0/57) build. I also am including the equivalent pieces with >spell power in parentheses in the appropriate slot.

The Skinny
Un-buffed / (fully raid buffed, flasked + food, Spellpower enchants with spirit to cloak & boots, and Runed Scarlet Rubies with an Ember Skyflare Meta)

Mana - 18446 (21656)
Int - 896 (1110)
Spirit - 940 (1199)
Healing - 2537.35 (2748.85)
Haste Rating - 230
Crit - 20.03% (26.31%)

This came from plugging the above gear into Rawr 2.14. I am using all buffs including Imp MOTW, Imp INT, Imp Kings, & Imp Divine Spirit. I am using the 3.08 nerfed value for IotDS. I am not infallible and these numbers could be incorrect. Please correct as necessary.

My main question right now in terms of itemization currently involves whether it is prudent to use enchants and gems to buff Crit further, while still remaining practical. I doubt I'll be swapping out Runed Scarlet Ruby with Smooth Autumn's Glow, yet I wonder what the theoretical maximum is just the same. However [Arcanum of Burning Mysteries] & [Greater Inscription of the Storm] are attractive and would add 35 Crit rating or .76%

So now we should then try to figure out exactly how much haste a Nature's Grace proc is worth on Regrowth. In order to achieve a 1.5 second regrowth we'd have to have

1.5 = 2(1-x).
x = 25%.

So to get the corresponding haste rating from gear to achieve this 1.5 second cast would need this

1% haste = 32.79 haste rating
25% haste = 32.79 haste rating *25% = 819.75 Haste rating

The place where all this gets hairy is if the Nature's Grace proc can be modeled linearly. If it isnt then detemining the value of Crit in terms of Haste gets harder, and I'm not sure how to model it. If it is linear then a ratio can solve for X. Assuming it is though I'll do some napkin math with some crit % that can reasonably be achieved with gear 76.31%.

76.31%(819.75) = 625.55 Haste Rating

However even if I were naked but still talented in this way I'd still have a 55.6 crit % on Regrowth

55.6%(819.75) = 455.61 Haste Rating

Extropolating furthur

76.31 crit % - 55.6 crit % = 20.71 crit %
625.55 haste rating - 455.61 haste rating = 169.94 haste rating

169.94 haste rating / 20.71 crit % = 8.21 haste rating
1 % crit = 8.21 haste rating

1 % crit = 45.91 crit rating

45.91 crit rating = 8.21 haste rating
1 crit rating = .18 haste rating

Feel free to do your worst with the above Math.

well your math might be correct but i doubt, no time to verifie, but

If you Gear for 25% Haste your on 2/(1.25)=1.6 Casttime. Not 1.5 ...

Further you got in a raid almost all the time a Retri/Moonkin and 1-2 Shamans -> you get 3% + 5% Haste

You need 23.29% Haste in this Raid setup to get a 1.5 Sec Regrowth. So you need around 764 Haste to get 1.5 Sec Regrowth.

If you get those 1.5Sec Regrowth you still got your 65% Crit on it just with Talents and Raidbuffs. So if you Crit, and you Crit alot, your on a 1 Sec GCD Cast of Regrowth, any further Haste is wasted if you Cast Regrowth because most of the Time your lower than GCD.

And your Theory Craft is worthless if you dont have 100% Regrowth crit because of the worst case scenario, you can be at 90% crit but you dont crit for 5 Casts. Its a 1:100000 Chance but it could still happen.

Well if we say you get 770 Critrating or 770 Haste:

then your around 82% Crit
or at 23.29% Haste in Raid setups

Let assume you cast 100 Regrowth in Chain, and we do napkin Math now:

770 Critrating= 82% RG crit and 1.85 RG cast -> 18*1.85+82*1.35=144 Sec
770 Hasterating= 67% RG crit and 1.5 RG cast -> 33*1.5+67*1.0=116.5 Sec

Well that's if it works like you may think it happens but fact is every 20th fight:

4,96% of the times of your 100 RG Castings in the Critrating case you will crit 75 Times or Less -> 147.5 Sec
5,7% of the times of your 100 RG Castings in the Hasterating case you will crit 59 Times or Less -> 120.5 Sec

You see the low Crit Case loses 1 more Crit but, still Haste wins by far, and is more worse case Resistant, in termes when it doesnt crit 3-4 Times in a Row. You can cast another 18 Heals even if all of them dont crit you would've healed more, and more constant, and you can react faster if you dont need to spam Regrowth.

75 *1.95+25*1= 171.05
59*1.95+41*1+18*1=174.25

Factoring Living Seed and with no overscribes, so every Livingseed will be tiggered, and fully heal.
As you see even with Living Seed and assumtion that your 18 Heals you can cast more wont crit, you will heal more. but also less manaefficient.

Well that much about Regrowth as 1 Button low skill Healing Druid.

Just done to proof Haste is not only better for Hots but also for Regrowth. But this Rotation is very Manaintensiv. I like to Lifebloom, RJ, RG, WG all the tanks it suites the Druid heal style better.

Why make it so hard? Nature's Grace gives a 33% haste buff to Regrowth (or 50% haste buff to Nourish). That means that 1% crit gives (on average) 0.33% haste as well. 45.92 crit rating gives 10.82 haste rating, or 1 crit rating gives 0.235 haste rating for Regrowth.

However, Regrowth heals a lot more with crit since... well, crits heal more and Living Seed adds healing too. I think if you math it in the end crit rating will give you slightly more hps than haste rating, but I'm not entirely sure.

Don't forget the effect of [Ember Skyflare Diamond].

Updated my post to factor Living Seed for Crit/Haste setups

Glory Post #199

As you see even with Livingseed healing always and with no overheal and no bug, you will heal less with max crit.

Also it is not that easy to say Nature's Grace is 25% Haste or 33%, because only with common Raidbuffs you get your cast time of RG to 1.85 Sec then its equivalent to 37% Haste.
But for Nourish its the other way round, because you have a limit of 1Sec GCD the more Haste you have the less haste is Nature's Grace worth. 0,6 Sec Nourish or 1 Sec Nourish doesnt matter. Well maybe it helps you on reactiv healing to land your heals befor the paladins.

And 33% haste is not 67% Cast time left it only means you cast 4 Spells in the time you cast 3 Spells without haste.

Haste wins always if you dont have Manaissues.

One question I have is why you'd leave MP5 unweighted. While Spirit is preferable for a druid over MP5, this by no means leaves MP5 as a useless stat. Two equivalent pieces where one had a large amount of spirit and the other had no spirit but MP5 are both preferable to a much weaker item that still had spirit. Yes, Innervate improvement and a bit of Spellpower come from Spirit too, but MP5 is still an important stat with value, when weighting loot.

Don't discount MP5 just because it doesn't give you a smidge of spellpower per point.

Agreed, the Stamina ranking seems a bit off. On this run, I changed Stamina to 0 and put MP5 at 10. This seems to correct the flaw mentioned above.

Loot Rank for resto Druid (Leather only, no PvP)

One thing I noticed while looking at the buffs at the bottom was that [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] is ranked above [Elixir of Spirit] and [Elixir of Mighty Thoughts]. It seems we have no direct replacement yet. Has anyone tested the in-game performance difference for these three in current raid content? I think most people (myself included) are just using [Flask of the Frost Wyrm].

So in basic terms is 30Int AND 30Spi > 50Spi OR 45Int?

That all depends on your current Spirit and Int values.

*rest of post cut as the tool appears to be gone*

I find this to be the best summary:

In the end it seems that the high-end raiders will want the [Elixir of Draenic Wisdom] since it will help maintain the current ration better than boosting one stat over the other. Of course, we can also hope an upgraded version of this elixir will appear in future content patches.

I'd also like to see more gear with less itemization points wasted on crit and Haste.

I checked it quickly before my previous post and noticed Nature's Grace only shaves off 0.4 sec off my current Regrowth, so I assumed it worked that way. After a bit more testing it seems that we are both wrong. What Nature's Grace does is reduce casttime by 0.5 and THEN apply haste. So if you have 20% haste, it will treat Regrowth as if it's a 1.5 sec cast and then reduces it to a 1.25 sec cast, even though without Nature's Grace Regrowth will cast for 1.67. So back to the drawing board I guess.

Edit: about that MP5 value for lootrank, it should never be 0 of course. It should be greater than spirit even, since 1 mp5 will give a lot more mana back than 1 spirit.

I forgot about that one, but I'm not sure if it's wise to add it initially since not everyone is using that meta. However I can add the final values for when you do use that meta, which I'll do soon.