You need a certain amount of Spirit for Innervate which is one reason why MP5 cannot compete until a certain point, you also have FSR regeneration which depending on the fight and your playstyle ends up favouring Spirit (and to a lesser degree Int) further.

Spirit, MP5 and Int all change in value slightly depending on your current gear but honestly there is nothing that significant unless you suddenly go from 1000 Spirit 900 Int to 1000 Spirit 1400 Int. Considering you will generally gear up and keep a relative balance between the stats (ie +10% on both Spirit and Int) the weights don't really change much so for the most part you can assume a sembalance of stability between them.

Spirit at .33~ is ignoring anything beyond mana return, it is near impossible to compare throughput to longevity in a meaningful way.
For example in that case where 1/.57/.33 were the values for those stats, if SP = 5 then Spirit would end up being around .55~ (last time I checked, going on memory). The problem comes from SP, is SP really worth 5? it could be 10 or 15 and in those cases Spirit becomes superior to Int and even could end up beating MP5 on a 1:1 basis.
You are right in saying you cannot just ignore half of what a stat gives you but that case was clearly labeled as "In terms of longevity" as the second half of the stat is depending on your valuation of something else, of which there is no clear answer.

Before we had the option of using downranking in order to give us some means of comparison, right now it's like comparing effective health (avoidance and stamina) to threat for tanking.

Yes, there is no convenient or meaningful mathematical way to figure in IToL into spirit's regen capability. My best advice is that if you find two items close in value on the mana regen scale, then pick the one with higher spirit. However, also keep in mind that spirit is worth only 15% of one point of SP, so the benefit is small enough to make it somewhat negligible, in my opinion.

Effective health is mitigation and stamina

First of all: Thank you all
I started raiding and doing heros with WotLK and you're helping me a lot.
So, since I'm quite new my questions are probably newbish too, srr about that

1.To provide a stat ranking (for Pawn eg) can't we just equipp a druid with all BiS's and look at his stats?
this way we wouldn't have the optimal stats, but the best accessible.
I doubt this works because if it would, you guys would already have done that.

2.I used Paininabox's Resto Spreadsheet v1.21L to create a stat weight but thats split into regen and healing power
I would go for HP untill I go oom and then go back to regen etc
but if I'm going oom depends on my role and on the other healers, so that isn't a very good option
is there a better way to wight between regen and HP?

I'm nax10/25, badgeds and 2-3 hero pieces equipped and will only do 10nax for the next weeks so it's not really important to have those values for me, I'm just interested in numbers and calculations.

While we don't have a way to feed Pawn with exact numbers, I recommend the Addon BonusScanner
(you have to be in Tree form to have the addon calculate exactly)
thanks for spending time reading my thoughts

Ps: If someone is bored and could tell me via pm witch stat I'm lacking most at the time (int I assume), I'd be very grateful.

Ok, i hope this post will not be deleted or removed or that i receive a warning for posting an impropper topic in the incorrect thread!!!

My purpose here is to get some feedback on whether im a crazy druid, with silly ideas that is not in touch with the plannet! I read about my class daily, i leveled my druid as resto from level 17 - 80 and ive healed in BT fighting Illidan and now in Wrath i heal in Nazzramas, EoE, OS and Archie in 10 and 25 raids. I think i know what im talking about but after looking at Resto druids on my server i think either everyone is wrong or im on funny pills!!!

PLEASE HELP ME!!!

Ok to the bones of it and this is about Gems, Enchants and Gear build; not tallents / glyphs etc and this is not poised to say this person is better than you. Its about clarity on my thinking as a resto druid as im begining to doubt myself. And this isnt about who is best its about who is right with gems and gear choices...

Crazy Resto Druid one - The World of Warcraft Armory - Vitality Enchants, MP5 gems, NP5 specif gear with no spirit and A Critical Strike Gem???? After talking with many resto druids from my server its sufggested that i dont know anything about my class... I could list 5 other people here with simmilar builds but i think tYavanna is a good example and this is in no way meant to insult you yananna so i hope you dont mind me picking you out; if you ever read this ofc
Crazy Resto Druid - Me - The World of Warcraft Armory - I think i have a very nice gear set, welkl balanced, heavily spirit based yet several people from other top raiding guilds suggest that my build is wong? (If you cant see my 2nd ring its the [Loop of the Kirin Tor])

Finally, my intention is to obtain [Torch of Holy Fire] or [The Impossible Dream] for main hand and the t7.5 for my head and then (if i get lucky enough) to get [Unravelling Strands of Sanity]. Then thats it, i see that my gear is complete with the current gear available.

(When i say build i refer to gear choices if item spots...)

Last issue is the [Life-Binder's Locket] I think this sucks for a rest druid and i would say that the neck that i have equiped is far better yet again i see many resto druids with this?

And when i say "I feel like im taking crazy pills" if you have watched Zoolander then thats how i feel.

Comments please and please give me some help!

(When i read this i feel very lucky indeed that i have the gear i have and i have the chance to improve it further so please dont interpret this in any other way that i intended when i wrote this; i need clarity on my thinking as a resto druid and i seek your advise please)

Firstly, let me say that you both are geared well enough to be fine at healing any of the current content. Both of you seem to have foregone some +SP for regen stats (whether it is spirit or MP5) and this perhaps is not the best thing since running OOM really isn't happening in current content.

With that in mind, that is why many Druids like the Life Binder's Locket since, socketed correctly, it is the highest +SP neck piece available.

So my advice is to find the highest +SP item and look at equipping as many of those as possible while ensuring that your Innervate always fills your mana bar, you are at or above the haste soft cap and you get above 450 MP5 while casting when fully raid buffed. So you may want to look at some of the higher +SP rings and the Spaulders of Catatonia - your weapon choices are fine, I'm after the Torch myself but it never drops

Never socket a 16 Spirit gem (go Purified if you must) and you did a mistake picking the Greatness (Spirit, not Int) trinket but there is not much you can do about that.

The necks you have a choice of either [Life-Binder's Locket] or [Necklace of the Glittering Chamber] where the former is the highest SP neck and also gives you 22 more Intellect which goes a long way to covering up the loss of 38 Spirit and combine that with the dirty MP5 and it ends up a straight up superior item.

There is nothing really 'wrong' with your spec either, you might want to change your bracers to the Instructor ones.
As to T7.5 helm I wouldn't bother with it and would suggest [Cowl of Vanity] or [Hood of Rationality] if no cloth user wants, obviously aim for [Headpiece of Reconciliation] when it drops but the other two are the same or better if no cloth user needs.

Why not bother with T7.5? I find it a pretty good itemized helm tbh. It's same as the Hood of Rationality, but instead of haste (which you can easily get enough of) you get a nice bunch of mp5. It's all personal preference of course, but I wouldn't say it's a bad helm. On top of it you can get the 4-set bonus which is a nice plus (and in the future it will be easier to maintain 2-set bonus).

Also, as for maces, the [Ice Spire Scepter] is a nice one to pick up, it's the same as the Impossible Dream but has haste instead of crit and is a lot easier to get as well, since it drops in 10-man Malygos.

deleted, thought the post would look better.

From a prior conversation on the PvE Resto Healing Thread I posted the following 3 posts regarding the current Haste with GotEM. Ideally they should have been posted in this thread.

http://elitistjerks.com/1079250-post270.html

http://elitistjerks.com/1079687-post272.html

http://elitistjerks.com/1080740-post276.html <- Uliko