Restoration Itemization - Page 19

BigRiz · 02/04/09, 3:53 PM

I am putting together a spreadsheet of all of the standard tree calculations including haste, healing, Mp5, Innervate and crit, and have one sticking point I have yet to find an answer for.

Is the healing the LB idol grants a fixed amount given an expected untalented duration for Lifebloom, or is it further spread out considering Nature's Splendor and the LB glyph? Meaning, which is true:

0 SP LB tick = 53
No Talent/glyph # ticks = 7
LB Idol healing per tick = 125/7 = 17.85
NS and glyph per tick = 125/10 = 12.5

-or-

NS and glyph per tick = 125/7 per tick regardless of duration

-or-

Is it (not likely) 125 per tick?

Any thoughts or assistance would be great!

Thanks

Ambullance

Paininabox · 02/04/09, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by BigRiz

I am putting together a spreadsheet of all of the standard tree calculations including haste, healing, Mp5, Innervate and crit, and have one sticking point I have yet to find an answer for.

Is the healing the LB idol grants a fixed amount given an expected untalented duration for Lifebloom, or is it further spread out considering Nature's Splendor and the LB glyph? Meaning, which is true:

0 SP LB tick = 53
No Talent/glyph # ticks = 7
LB Idol healing per tick = 125/7 = 17.85
NS and glyph per tick = 125/10 = 12.5

-or-

NS and glyph per tick = 125/7 per tick regardless of duration

-or-

Is it (not likely) 125 per tick?

Any thoughts or assistance would be great!

Thanks

Ambullance

When I made my spreadsheet, I found that the idol just adds that much spell power to the tick, ala:

BASETICK+(Coef)*(SP+IoLM)=53+(0.0952)*(SP+IoLM)

This applies per tick, and is not diminished by talents/glyphs that increase the length of LB.

Feel free to use my spreadsheet (listed in my sig), because I spent about 4k gold speccing and respeccing during beta to ascertain how everything came together.

Paininabox · 02/08/09, 6:33 PM

I just wanted to let everyone know that I have a new version of my spreadsheet out. The link is in my signature. Please let me know about any errors either by e-mail or through PM. Thanks!

EDIT:

UPDATE

After using this sheet on my own guy, I noticed that the MRVD column was being calculated incorrectly. Please be aware of this until I put out a fixed version (probably tomorrow).

jula · 02/09/09, 5:41 AM

I have a druid alt with access to all gear in game. I made this template of what i think is the best PvE gear in game, assuming no professions.
With full buffs its over 2.6k healing power and 450 mp5 while casting.

About the meta - From my experience using the mana restore meta and stacking healing power is superior to using the spell power meta and using regen gems / gear, even when you have to adjust your gemming for it (assuming you not a JCer). I would say the spell damage meta is only superior if you both gear and gem for max spell power already and you don't need the extra regen from the mana restore meta.

If a specific fights requires more regen you can always change trinket to MDF however this is almost never needed.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to improve it further i would be happy to hear. Assume access to all gear in game.

Hellebore · 02/09/09, 9:32 AM

Hi, first post and all so please excuse any glaring errors.

During a recent bank clear out, I came across [Harold's Rejuvenating Broach], and noticed that it adds 88 spell power to revj, which given the amount of healing especially raid healing I use revj for seems to be very powerful indeed.

A bit of testing seems to show that it adds ~42 healing a tick to my revj, which are normally just below the 2k mark raid buffed, with about 2k spell power on my gear.

I think that this is either bugged or over powered so I'm not sure how long it will stay as 88 spell power but it seems to be to be the best in slot idol for raid healing, such as on Sapphiron 25.

WWS link for the first experiment with the idol in 25 man: Wow Web Stats

red · 02/09/09, 10:41 AM

I've been using that idol almost exclusively in WLK so far. A quick and dirty test I did a while back showed that Harold's idol added the same amount per tick to Rejuv that Lush Moss added to each tick of Lifebloom. Therefore the choice on a fight was easy: which spell did I expect to tick more times? For the vast majority of encounters, I use the Rejuv idol. For you, it would depend on your spell usage, I know there are druids out there who use Lifebloom far more than Rejuv.

(I haven't considered Idol of Awakening yet; haven't seen it drop. I would probably use it over Harold's for most fights though.)

Nitz · 02/09/09, 1:00 PM

I prefer the [Idol of Awakening] because I do around 35~ % of my healing with Rejuvenation which means it's worth a very massive amount of mp5.

Kysse · 02/09/09, 3:14 PM

The two belts that drop off Malygos are currently the best healing belts in the game, which would you consider superior?
Currently I have [Leash of Heedless Magic] (with a +19 Spell Power gem) equipped but see that [Unravelling Strands of Sanity] definitely has higher mana regen on it.

What are your opinions?

jula · 02/09/09, 3:30 PM

Rough math, assuming int/2 = 1mp5, spi/3 = 1mp5 +0.15 SP:

[Leash of Heedless Magic] - 103 SP, 60 int -> 30mp5 , 48 spi -> 16 mp5 +7.2 SP , 62 haste = 110.2 SP, 46mp5, 62 haste
[Unravelling Strands of Sanity] - 98 SP, 43 int -> 21.5mp5, 62 spi -> 21mp5 +9.3 SP , 19mp5 = 107.3 sp, 61.5mp5

So its: 2.9 SP + 62 haste VS 15.5 mp5
I would go with the haste.

Paininabox · 02/09/09, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kysse

The two belts that drop off Malygos are currently the best healing belts in the game, which would you consider superior?
Currently I have [Leash of Heedless Magic] (with a +19 Spell Power gem) equipped but see that [Unravelling Strands of Sanity] definitely has higher mana regen on it.

What are your opinions?

I would hold off on making a decision until the extent of the nerf to regen is known. Since the belt you currently have has more Int and the Strands has less, there is a possibility that the one you have will be better. It's impossible to know for sure until we get some numbers off the PTR.

However, if I were to have to choose now, I would take the Strands. I've always loved tons of regen and the SP difference is negligible, and you would have to put out a conscious effort to not hit the haste soft cap as it is.

Playered · 02/09/09, 5:55 PM

Originally Posted by Kysse

The two belts that drop off Malygos are currently the best healing belts in the game, which would you consider superior?
Currently I have [Leash of Heedless Magic] (with a +19 Spell Power gem) equipped but see that [Unravelling Strands of Sanity] definitely has higher mana regen on it.

What are your opinions?

Rule of thumb: spell power > int > ...

Leash trades 14 spirit for 17 intellect and has higher spell power (not much but still better), considering spirit is worth less than intellect.. well it seems rather obvious at this point.
The choice between haste and MP5 honestly doesn't matter once you have the softcap on haste.

If Innervate remains untouched in 3.1 then Unravelling dips further into inferiority but as Ulduar will be out I doubt it will matter much.

Paininabox · 02/09/09, 6:56 PM

Resto Spreadsheet has now been fixed. See my sig for the new link.

George · 02/10/09, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by red

I've been using that idol almost exclusively in WLK so far. A quick and dirty test I did a while back showed that Harold's idol added the same amount per tick to Rejuv that Lush Moss added to each tick of Lifebloom. Therefore the choice on a fight was easy: which spell did I expect to tick more times? For the vast majority of encounters, I use the Rejuv idol. For you, it would depend on your spell usage, I know there are druids out there who use Lifebloom far more than Rejuv.

(I haven't considered Idol of Awakening yet; haven't seen it drop. I would probably use it over Harold's for most fights though.)

Have you considered [Idol of Pure Thoughts]? From my very basic testing it appears to add 1 or 2 more healing per tick than [Harold's Rejuvenating Broach] does. A very marginal upgrade but it is also very easy to acquire.

KrinKer · 02/10/09, 1:52 AM

Quick question that probably won't be answered before we see the extant of the nerf to mana regen, but anybody has an idea what will be the "ideal" gem for druids ?

I mean yeah 19 spell power gems will still probably be best in slot when it comes to throughput, but what happens to more "hybrid" gems.

9 spell power + 8 int
9 spell power + 8 spirit
9 spell power + 3 mp5

Really can't wait to see which one is the best.

Devinestorm · 02/10/09, 5:55 AM

I was wondering if somone could give some thoughts on the choice for rings for restoration Druids?

Currently i use [Loop of the Kirin Tor] & [Band of Channeled Magic] as i see these two as the best in the game.

Can i have thoughts please as i have also been considering [Renewal of Life] to replace [Loop of the Kirin Tor] but it lacks spirit..... And this one has crit but no haste and id love some more haste...

Confused./