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Old 04/25/09, 12:32 PM   #436
Playered
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Math around the worth of Spirit is almost not worth doing right now with Ghostcrawler putting out some pretty intent messages of making Innervate do a flat amount of mana regardless of Int or Spi (source). This will devastate the worth of Spirit to about a 30-40% nerf (uliko estimated) if/when it happens.

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Old 04/25/09, 4:10 PM   #437
Allinone
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I'm not sure if its worthless just because of an intended post. They've intended to give us changes to our bear/cat models for a long time....although non cosmetic changes do seem to come more quickly.

But I think the nerf would be a bit closer to 22%. At 1300/1300 Spirit is worth nearly .50251 mp5 per point on gear. Innervate is worth .11347 of that, or 22.58% of the total. This value is the same for every other gear level.

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Old 04/26/09, 1:19 PM   #438
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Originally Posted by Playered View Post
Math around the worth of Spirit is almost not worth doing right now with Ghostcrawler putting out some pretty intent messages of making Innervate do a flat amount of mana regardless of Int or Spi (source). This will devastate the worth of Spirit to about a 30-40% nerf (uliko estimated) if/when it happens.
They would need to find some reasons for resto to want to stack Spirit at the expense of MP5 if they do that.

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Old 04/26/09, 11:34 PM   #439
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Boots of the Petrified Forest

[Boots of the Petrified Forest]

For a Ilvl 219, it gives too low Spell Power, probably bugged like [Headpiece of Reconciliation] was bugged. Hope that it will be fixed in the next minor patch.

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Old 04/27/09, 1:24 PM   #440
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I have question regarding the t7.5 set bonus. Is there a SP number I can shoot for as to when to drop the set bonus? I tend to use a Nourish heavy healing style, as I am usually a floater as far as healing goes, so losing that set bonus for a minor upgrade in ulduar seems rough. As it is I've passed on a number of relatively small upgrades due to the powerful effect of set bonus and nourish glyph.

I tend to do really well (usually first or second on healing meters) so I don't think I am doing too much wrong as far as healing goes, but just curious if there is any numbers on this.

Thanks

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Old 04/27/09, 3:21 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by Rijndael View Post
They would need to find some reasons for resto to want to stack Spirit at the expense of MP5 if they do that.
I think its a little early to say the sky is falling on spirit, if this change goes live. Spirit will still be a good stat with talents like Intensity, and Imp. ToL aura.

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Old 04/27/09, 3:58 PM   #442
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Hate to bust up all these numbers, but I've started a spreadsheet of all the gear with one of my guildmates. We're still working on it but hopefully it will be done in a few days.

Druid Gear

If you want to give a hand on whats there, or start a feral tab, send me a PM.

This is so that gear can easily accessible in Excel format for people to crunch even more numbers if they want, and it's also a handy sheet to alt-tab to if you want to check your options while you raid.

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Old 04/27/09, 7:50 PM   #443
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Originally Posted by enkoopa View Post
Hate to bust up all these numbers, but I've started a spreadsheet of all the gear with one of my guildmates. We're still working on it but hopefully it will be done in a few days.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...c35lvyQ-sr_qNQ

If you want to give a hand on whats there, or start a feral tab, send me a PM.

This is so that gear can easily accessible in Excel format for people to crunch even more numbers if they want, and it's also a handy sheet to alt-tab to if you want to check your options while you raid.
Enkoopa, you will need to make the spreadsheet public for anyone to view it. I went to take a peek at what you had, and was advised I didn't have access to veiw the sheet.

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Old 04/27/09, 9:32 PM   #444
enkoopa
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Sorry, I've published the page and updated the URL above (Druid Gear)

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Old 04/27/09, 9:33 PM   #445
enkoopa
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Also, will probably be completing the resto tab first.

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Old 04/28/09, 1:20 PM   #446
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Hey I was hoping I could bug you guys for some quick help. I'm putting together a Ulduar wish list and am debating which pieces of tier I want.

From what I gather the 4 piece now instantly heals for its periodic healing (the full 12 second duration???) amount plus still does its hot. I can't pass that set bonus off if it does and its disappointing because aside from the helm I prefer non tier pieces.

From what I've seen (I've been quickly skimming over stats at work) my 4 piece would consist of Helm, Chest, Legs and Shoulders while using the Handwraps of the vigilant as my gloves. They seem to provide the biggest bonus stats/sockets etc... I'm disappointed that I'm not seeing as much haste gear now and am concerned about the amount of crit I will be pulling over haste due to the tier gear alone. Do you guys agree with that 4 piece set? Or am I really far off and need some quick guidance here.

Any help would be great!

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Old 04/28/09, 1:36 PM   #447
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The currently best known (Algalon loot is still missing but..) offset piece to take is this chest because quite honestly it is perfectly itemized in almost every way for us. It also has the benefit of taking away one of the critical strike pieces in favor of haste whereas using the gloves would be a critical strike for critical strike trade.

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Old 04/28/09, 1:49 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by }DM{Mnementh View Post
From what I've seen (I've been quickly skimming over stats at work) my 4 piece would consist of Helm, Chest, Legs and Shoulders while using the Handwraps of the vigilant as my gloves. They seem to provide the biggest bonus stats/sockets etc... I'm disappointed that I'm not seeing as much haste gear now and am concerned about the amount of crit I will be pulling over haste due to the tier gear alone. Do you guys agree with that 4 piece set? Or am I really far off and need some quick guidance here.

Any help would be great!
I would concur with this. Using this loot rank link, Loot Rank for WotLK, It appears that the T8.5 gloves have the biggest gap in score from the best in slot gloves, compared to the rest of the tier gear.

Of course this all based upon proper weights, and i'm not sure if they are up to date or not.

I also am a bit concerned about the ample amounts of crit on our tier gear, but its not like losing some haste is going to break the class. With GotEM talents, haste isn't even that great of a stat, its just slightly better than crit.

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Old 04/28/09, 2:03 PM   #449
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Originally Posted by Playered View Post
The currently best known (Algalon loot is still missing but..) offset piece to take is this chest because quite honestly it is perfectly itemized in almost every way for us. It also has the benefit of taking away one of the critical strike pieces in favor of haste whereas using the gloves would be a critical strike for critical strike trade.
Hmm... when I was looking at the PVE gear lists on MMO it didn't include that chest piece. Now its interesting. Both the chest and the gloves have a big gap in stats and benefits but I'm now leaning more towards the chest. I'm a big fan of haste even as a druid. I've always gone high haste so I could maintain larger hot rotations across the raid (ie: more regrowths before refreshing the next hot rotation).

I would concur with this. Using this loot rank link, Loot Rank for WotLK, It appears that the T8.5 gloves have the biggest gap in score from the best in slot gloves, compared to the rest of the tier gear.

Of course this all based upon proper weights, and i'm not sure if they are up to date or not.

I also am a bit concerned about the ample amounts of crit on our tier gear, but its not like losing some haste is going to break the class. With GotEM talents, haste isn't even that great of a stat, its just slightly better than crit.
Hmm I need to start using these loot ranks things T_T. I'm sitting around at work playing with the stats and calculating the differences and which would give the best bonus.

Like I said above tho I didn't see Vestments of the Blind Denizen and I am definitely leaning towards that now.

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Old 04/28/09, 6:25 PM   #450
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Originally Posted by enkoopa View Post
Hate to bust up all these numbers, but I've started a spreadsheet of all the gear with one of my guildmates. We're still working on it but hopefully it will be done in a few days.

Druid Gear

If you want to give a hand on whats there, or start a feral tab, send me a PM.

This is so that gear can easily accessible in Excel format for people to crunch even more numbers if they want, and it's also a handy sheet to alt-tab to if you want to check your options while you raid.
Yeah, you forgot the cloth.

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