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Old 05/10/09, 9:25 PM   #511
ttyl
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Wowhead comments seemed to agree that the Insightful proc is 600 mana with a 5% chance to proc and a 15 second ICD.
Originally Posted by red View Post
and should be the last regen option you exchange for throughput
Yeah, this has been true for awhile. Allinone: I took a quick look at your armory and you could definitely benefit from changing metas. If you really miss the 25 spellpower, then drop some regen gems for an overall increase.

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Old 05/11/09, 5:24 PM   #512
cuddlekin
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Originally Posted by red View Post
What has happened so that people are choosing [Ember Skyflare Diamond] over [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond]? The last time I saw the math Insighful was always the best meta, and should be the last regen option you exchange for throughput. Are people really doing that well on mana in Ulduar?
I fixed my suggestion post. I didn't ever look into how much the insightful gives and will probably be switching metas now. And to answer your question I personally am not having any mana issues. On hard modes I usually get hymn of hope and mana tide totem though.

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Old 05/11/09, 7:01 PM   #513
MystRayne
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Please excuse my Question on Crit for resto druids - pre-3.1 I was told that Crit was not important for resto druids, how has this changed, because I still do not notice any decent crits, since upping my crit a bit more.

I am looking to replace [Boots of Septic Wounds] with [Boots of the Escaped Captive] - and worry that losing nearly 1% of crit is not worth the Haste gain, especially as I also would lose health.

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Old 05/12/09, 6:35 AM   #514
Kawari
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I could be wrong - but my thoughts on a greater use of crit now, is because we lost the 50% crit chance to regrowth (down to 25% now), but instead gained 25% crit chance to nourish - so combining both these spells and the change to natures grace (20% casting speed for 3s, as aposed to 0.5s off your next cast) means you can potentially have a constant uptime of 20% haste by stacking more crit if you're spamming regrowth and nourish.

Its not really my playstyle for raid healing now I have the T8.5 x 4 set bonus - but its a very appealing option for a lot of druids who value nourish.

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Old 05/12/09, 10:11 AM   #515
red
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Originally Posted by MystRayne View Post
Please excuse my Question on Crit for resto druids - pre-3.1 I was told that Crit was not important for resto druids, how has this changed, because I still do not notice any decent crits, since upping my crit a bit more.

I am looking to replace [Boots of Septic Wounds] with [Boots of the Escaped Captive] - and worry that losing nearly 1% of crit is not worth the Haste gain, especially as I also would lose health.
Honestly I'd go with [Rainey's Chewed Boots], from emblems of valor. Between the two you linked though, Septic Wounds are better. While haste may generally be preferable to crit, the much more important considerations are spell power / int / spirit. Both boots are 213, but Escaped Captive use much more of their item budget on the "bad" stat, and Septic even has a gem slot in which you can put a spell power gem.

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Old 05/12/09, 10:19 AM   #516
Zoltair
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SEEKING INDIVIDUAL WITH IN GAME ACCESS (Servers down here) TO CONFIRM OR DENY THE FOLLOWING:

The armory tooltips are indicating that the value of Haste Rating to Percentage conversion is no longer 32.79 for druids. I have checked all druids of all specs and this appears to be the case. Other classes still appear to be 32.79=1% Haste.

I am finding that for druids ~25.22 Haste Rating = 1%.

Please confirm or deny this in game for me to ensure it is not an armory tooltip error. This would be a pretty significant Haste Buff for druids if it is correct.

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Old 05/12/09, 10:24 AM   #517
Kawari
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As it stands I have (more than I know what to do with really): 525 haste = 16.01%

Which gives a ratio of 32.81 to 1% - which would make it pretty much the same as other classes.

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Old 05/12/09, 10:26 AM   #518
Paininabox
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Last I checked, armory is bugged. I noticed that the haste calculation was off, so I checked it in-game and concluded it was just the armory. In-game, it's the same as it has always been.

Level 80 Restoration Druid Spreadsheet here.
(v1.41)

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Old 05/12/09, 10:32 AM   #519
Zoltair
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Originally Posted by Kawari View Post
As it stands I have (more than I know what to do with really): 525 haste = 16.01%

Which gives a ratio of 32.81 to 1% - which would make it pretty much the same as other classes.
Had a feeling it was just an armory tooltip error. It shows your 525=20.81%.

Sorry for the alarm. Couldn't get in game to confirm so instead of waiting around I figured I'd just ask another.

Thanks for the speedy clarification.

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Old 05/12/09, 10:33 AM   #520
Fallenangel
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Conversion of haste rating to melee-haste-% was buffed in 3.1. So you'll get different results, %-wise, if you look at the melee and the spell tabs on your character.
The buff was 30% extra haste, so for instance:
525 rating = 16.01% spell haste = 20.81% (=16.01*1.3) melee haste.
Looks like the armory tooltip is applying the melee formula to spell haste as well.

Last edited by Fallenangel : 05/12/09 at 10:39 AM.

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Old 05/12/09, 10:49 AM   #521
korndog22
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Spirit vs mp5

Hello i tend to come here for most of my definitive answers.This is my first time posting here so sorry if my question seems noobish.

I was wondering,with the changes to spirit based regen nerfed previously ,should I be geming for mp5 and sp over spirit.I don't seem to ever have a big issue with my mana regen and find myself trying to push myself to bigger heals over worrying about spirit.So is there a certain balance of mp5 and spirit to be had or does spirit still trump mp5 for us druids.Was considering taking 4 pieces of my gear where i have 16 spirit and 8 spirit -8 intel gems and replacing them with the 9sp/3mp5 gems or even the 19 sp gems.Can any of you mathmaticians do a breakdown for me or anyone give me some insight as to what is more beneficial.

P.S. I do consider myself a fairly good Resto Druid,just not great with the math ,i keep a pretty basic game plan when it comes to gear and such.But this has been weighing on me the last couple days especially with the innervate change coming.

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Old 05/12/09, 1:49 PM   #522
avanlee
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Has anyone else considered using [Furious Gladiator's Light Staff] for pve healing? For someone like me where Hodir's staff and the legendary mace seem a ways off this should be pretty well as good as it gets. Comparing it to even Hodir's staff there's less than 20 points difference using lootrank values in this thread, since crit is so poor for us. An extra ~1k health (buffed) never hurt anyone either.

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Old 05/12/09, 2:23 PM   #523
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Originally Posted by korndog22 View Post
I was wondering,with the changes to spirit based regen nerfed previously ,should I be geming for mp5 and sp over spirit.I don't seem to ever have a big issue with my mana regen and find myself trying to push myself to bigger heals over worrying about spirit.So is there a certain balance of mp5 and spirit to be had or does spirit still trump mp5 for us druids.Was considering taking 4 pieces of my gear where i have 16 spirit and 8 spirit -8 intel gems and replacing them with the 9sp/3mp5 gems or even the 19 sp gems.Can any of you mathmaticians do a breakdown for me or anyone give me some insight as to what is more beneficial.
At all reasonable gear levels, spirit still provides more mp5 than mp5 does, relative to their budget costs. Continue gemming for spirit over mp5 when you need a blue gem. Gemming [Runed Scarlet Ruby] in blue slots is a fine option too if the socket bonus isn't spell power and you don't need the regen.

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Old 05/12/09, 7:28 PM   #524
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Originally Posted by MystRayne View Post
Please excuse my Question on Crit for resto druids - pre-3.1 I was told that Crit was not important for resto druids, how has this changed, because I still do not notice any decent crits, since upping my crit a bit more.
Although i think haste is still more important than crit. You should still consider crit. When I get an almost 24K crit on my LB heal, I say "Give me more crit". But that is after i get enough haste to have my GCD at 1 sec on my HoT spells.

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Old 05/12/09, 7:59 PM   #525
Jurik
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Crit is still not important for resto druids. In fact, I think the value of crit has gone down. My reasoning is thus: in 3.0, we cast Regrowth a lot and took advantage of the extremely high crit chance and synergy Nature's Grace to pump out high HPS, so crit was a half-decent stat to stack after reaching sufficient levels of haste.

In 3.1, we mostly avoid casting Regrowth. Furthermore, the way Nature's Grace overclocked the Improved/Glyphed Regrowth spam build has been significantly reduced. We're no longer chaining crits for maximum throughput. Instead, we're maintaining HoTs to maximize Nourish bonuses, and leaning on Rejuvenation a lot more especially with our extremely potent tier-8 4 piece bonus and the conditions in Ulduar. Given this paradigm shift, I think most trees would agree that the share of effective healing done by HoTs that can't crit has gone up, and thus the value of crit has gone down.

For this reason, once my gear brought me over the haste cap, instead of looking at gear that gave me crit, I've now been looking for similarly itemized gear that gives less haste while keeping me over the soft-cap. To give a concrete example, [Leggings of Lost Love] narrowly edge out [Leggings of the Lifetender] because they have less budget points spent on haste in return for more on spirit. Though, you may have to sweet talk your cloth-wearing mates to obtain this, as the leather is substantially similar.

Last edited by Jurik : 05/12/09 at 8:00 PM. Reason: Neat, it automatically formats links for me

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