Originally Posted by Paininabox
Notice that for nature's grace I assumed 50% uptime of the buff, therefore an average 10% across all casts. Yes, with it up your cast is ~1.01 seconds. Including full NG, you need a total of 510 haste to get to 1 second, but I'm not sure how to handle that buff since it's so peculiar.
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To have 50% uptime with Nourish chain casting, you'd need to have 1 in 6 casts be crits as each Nourish crit lasts for 3 casts even at 1.25sec cast speed (i.e. no haste rating other than NG). I think it's safe to assume our crit rate is closer to 50%, not 17%, so even if the question was "average nourish cast time", assuming 50% is just wrong. Having 45% crit is no problem when raid buffed (20% from gear/raidbuffs and 25% from talents) and for Nourish to drop off we need 3 casts in a row not to crit, which is a 9.1%~ chance, so assuming a 90% uptime for NG when spamming Nourish feels a lot more real. Assuming you know that the chain casting will be required and you already proc'd NG waiting for the damage to be incoming.
However, back to the matter at hand. 510 haste sounds a lot closer to a haste hard cap number I expected. My next question is what do we do about this? Stacking crit is horrible, we all agree that. Dropping NG to get enough haste (I think it's about 1269 haste using your formula) sounds just as bad, and the gain from the 3 talent points is merely 3 in Tranquil Spirit for me (and a final point plus surplus in imp.tranq/emp.touch from GotEM points). I honestly don't know what gear to pick up any more. My only thought on the matter is that I wished NG always had 100% proc on crits and offered 7/14/20% haste, that way we could drop 1 point and stack more haste slowly, by taking points out of both GotEM and NG as our gear progressed.
With 800+ haste, I can see a build like: (yes, that's 1sec RJ/WG GCD)
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
working, but until our haste reaches that level, I can't see anything but just humping our GCDs and having sub-1s nourish casting. It's not like we're not used to sitting on our GCDs anyway. I'm totally out of ideas, I hate to just ask questions like a nub and not offer much in terms of answers but I don't see this answered anywhere on these forums. What is the best move after this haste hard cap?