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Old 09/01/09, 4:52 PM   #781
Kittay
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Hi, I was wondering since we're going to change to t9 at some point. How much crit/haste on gear should we be going for, I may have over looked it. Right now I have about 10.85% crit and 562 haste. I am unsure to pick up more crit items and drop some haste while staying in the haste cap. I keep seeing all these items with crit on them wondering if I should be picking them up. I may be over thinking how much crit we really need.

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Old 09/01/09, 5:38 PM   #782
Playered
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Staves will tend to grant you a chunk (20-30) of additional stats (Int/Spi/Sta) in a trade off for pure SP (30-40) which already put you off from wanting them generally. The final nail in the coffin for them comes in the fact they tend to itemize Staves recently with pure crit whereas MH+OH tend to have a mix of crit/haste/mp5 which is a much better result due to crit performing so poorly.

You no doubt would have noticed a lot of Druids (as well as other classes) using Icecore Staff which was for the most part down to the haste instead of crit (not to ignore that it was decently itemized) and at the general level of getting it you needed some extra Stamina for future hardmodes.


For what it's worth the MH+OH combo beats the Tribute staff (Clemency - Items - Sigrie) from ToCrusader and you will get a pretty decent balance of haste/crit (as in not having too much excess haste) without trying to game the items for the best balance so you don't really need to think about much beyond what has the most SP.

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Old 09/02/09, 11:05 PM   #783
Drane
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Originally Posted by ttyl View Post
Insightful. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Except when mana regen isnt a problem, ember skyflare is much better >.>

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Old 09/03/09, 1:57 AM   #784
ttyl
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Originally Posted by Drane View Post
Except when mana regen isnt a problem, ember skyflare is much better >.>
You and Carebare are correct, but she is (the first and only Druid I have seen) using ESD properly. You are not. I already explained it in this post.

EDIT: Explained further in this post.

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Old 09/03/09, 10:10 AM   #785
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What do you mean by using it "properly"? I literally have not found a raid situation where mana regen is a problem, thus I gem for the most spellpower possible considering haste softcap (which I am currently way over atm) and grabbing spellpower bonuses where applicable.

I don't see the point gemming a meta purely for regen when my regen is currently fine.

Edit: Nevermind, I re-read the linked post, I see what you're getting at

TBH, I've always thought about just scrapping all the spellpower bonuses in my gear and going all reds. I very much agree with Arythorn's methodology of a fine balance between the two, and as of now I feel my regen is good enough where IED isn't so much needed, but I still come close to running oom on longer fights.

Now, if we could ever get a Solace to drop, I'd be more keen to switching my spi/sp gems for pure spellpower >.>

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Old 09/06/09, 12:25 PM   #786
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Originally Posted by Carebare View Post
This is a personal preference based on group layout within your raid (do you get tide) and the mana problems you either do or do not run into based on your gear and/or style of healing/healing assignments. This is not the only meta gem that resto druids should use. I personally use Ember Skyflare (25 spell power + 2% intellect) and have no significant mana problems or issues using it. The additional benefit is that it only requires red gems. I would not say everyone has to do it my way, but this is what works for me and is a viable option for others as well.
It is not a personal preference. A personal preference is gemming to get socket bonuses when you have to use a luminous/purified to get a spell power gem socket. Insightful is at least 3 times the effective item budget that Ember is. Also, if you changed your gem in your pants to yellow you would get more overall stats as well (7 spell power is worth picking up in a socket bonus for almost any gear level we can achieve, as you lose 4 spell power for 10 spirit, but 10 spirit is worth 2 spell power, so really you lose 2 spell power for the regen of 10 spirit). Getting the yellow however you would have to change the gem in your belt, which I admit would be an ever so slight loss (6 spell power for 10 intellect). The fact that you'd lose a grand total of 33 spell power is swamped by the fact that you'd gain more mana than that mana tide you're taking up that could go to someone who could put it into more throughput (priests or dps).

Eventually our gear will reach a level that we simply can't use the mana and then Ember will become greater than Insightful. However, that time is not now.

Last edited by grimtage : 09/06/09 at 12:37 PM.

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Old 09/06/09, 2:35 PM   #787
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I would disagree. Our priests that need tide get tide. Our DPS gets innervates on nearly every fight where a healer doesn't need one instead (we typically have at least 3 druids in the raid). There are very few fights that I am still using my innervate on myself at all, and on most of those our DPS is fine without one or a DPS druid can get them. Getting tide means my innervate is nearly 100% free to the raid as its needed. Again, this is why I still maintain it's a personal preference based on how your specific raid operates. Please understand that I am not saying you are wrong and that I am right -- simply that this works for me and may also work for others. I don't think it's nearly as black and white as you make it out to be.

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Old 09/06/09, 4:18 PM   #788
Bhalu
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Take into consideration that hotting certain classes will improve raid dps or healing (with 3/3 Revitalize). I mean keeping RJ up (cats, rogues, dks, ...) in most of current encounters is a must-have, so you will sometimes innervate yourself during the fight.
With the current gear out of TotC and TotGC (ilvl 245 / 258) you can easily forget about gemming orange/purple but go for sp gems (make sure meta remains active). Having the new idol is also a great improvement in spell power but you need some more mana dropping Idol of the Awakening.
--> Think about what trinkets are most useful (Yogg25 +0/+1 sp trinket with mp5 proc, TotC25 sp trinket with 128mp5, int trinket (!?))

In the end (hardmodes) you will be using again lots of Rejus (like in Ulduar), which scale best if you gem for sp --> innverating yourself but providing great raid support.

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Old 09/07/09, 9:58 AM   #789
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Not sure what's the status on hardmode discussions, but in general, at least the first 3 are quite similar to their normal-mode counterparts. This makes rejuv less dominant than it was in Ulduar, where in nearly every encounter, the entire raid was being blased with AoE at pretty consistent and/or short intervals. It feels like rejuv-blanketing isn't as strong as it used to be, simply on the merits of the encounters themselves. This pushes throughput (=SP) even stronger compared to regen, so gemming with ember might be more viable. Having to maintain a full-red set and a more balanced set, however, will likely deem this option unrealistic, unless you are always comfortable with full SP.
Bhalu - about your trinket, do you use it specifically for Anub? Personally I'm not too fond of SP procs/uses but it seems like for that particular fight it will be beneficial. [Talisman of Resurgence] is also an interesting option for that fight if you can spare the badges.

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Old 09/07/09, 1:01 PM   #790
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Originally Posted by Carebare View Post
I would disagree. Our priests that need tide get tide. Our DPS gets innervates on nearly every fight where a healer doesn't need one instead (we typically have at least 3 druids in the raid). There are very few fights that I am still using my innervate on myself at all, and on most of those our DPS is fine without one or a DPS druid can get them. Getting tide means my innervate is nearly 100% free to the raid as its needed. Again, this is why I still maintain it's a personal preference based on how your specific raid operates. Please understand that I am not saying you are wrong and that I am right -- simply that this works for me and may also work for others. I don't think it's nearly as black and white as you make it out to be.
I slept on it, and I still don't get your argument. You're saying that you SHOULD take the Mana Tide so that you can gem Ember Skyflare which gives about 33 more spell power, i.e. 1% throughput, and that's the biggest benefit to the raid? I'm sorry, but it's complete nonsense, there is always someone who will get more out of mana tide than a druid, we're basically the lowest mana class that actually has to think about it (excluded ret palas and enhan shammies since they have very good ways to get mana back easily). Only hunters get less than us but they can turn that directly into quite a bit more dps (by using viper less). So we should be giving mana tide to someone who can get more than 1% throughput out of it. If you took absolutely no regen from raid i.e. you've got 70%+ uptime on rejuv for rogues/kittys and you've got a high uptime on WG on them, AND you take no innervates, mana tides or anything to up your mana AND you're outhealing the druids that do need those mana regens (since if your mana regen is that much higher, then your spellpower has to be), THEN you can think about dropping Insightful for Ember, otherwise you're just doing it wrong.

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Old 09/09/09, 4:25 AM   #791
Deepace
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Hey guys. Can someone tell me this. Is the T8 bonus (4 pcs) better than T9 bonus(4pcs). I'm comfortable with my T8 4pcs bonus. I need opinion by someone who have T9 4pcs set bonus. Thanks.

BTW:Sorry for my low english.

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Old 09/09/09, 4:31 AM   #792
Scizorz
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Magtheridon (EU)
I just got my Pants of the Soothing Touch the other day and I am wondering whether anyone has fonnd a better off set piece to use instead of Tier 9. I dont like how much crit all the gear has because its 80%-20% crit-haste not leaving you with much flexibility if you are already running with say rings with crit on or a belt.

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Old 09/09/09, 5:58 AM   #793
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[Robes of the Shattered Fellowship] and [Flowing Robes of Ascent] (and non-heroic versions) both have haste over the crit that the T9 chest has.

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Old 09/09/09, 6:28 AM   #794
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So I have seen a few druids on my server testing out a crit heavy spec and gear as resto. Has anyone tried this? or have any data on it. I still feel that haste is my best buddy in the whole world and suits my playstyle to a tee. I have lightly browsed the forums for any conclusive evidence to the crit craze I have been seeing but haven't come across anything.

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Old 09/09/09, 6:36 AM   #795
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What are the opinions on bis weapons right now?

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