Ahh. Works great now. Thank you.

Not sure where the not critting if the entire tick is overheal came up. Crits register for me just testing this standing in Dalaran with complete overheal.

And from my combat log:
9/18 01:07:30.094 SPELL_PERIODIC_HEAL,0x06000000015EA10E,"Goomp",0x511,0x06000000015EA10E,"Goomp",0x511 ,48441,"Rejuvenation",0x8,2107,2107,0,nil
9/18 01:07:24.152 SPELL_PERIODIC_HEAL,0x06000000015EA10E,"Goomp",0x511,0x06000000015EA10E,"Goomp",0x511 ,48441,"Rejuvenation",0x8,3161,3161,0,1

(Last parameters parses out as: healing spell,amount,overhealing,absorbed,critical)

As you can see both tics are complete overheal, larger one is denoted by a 1 in the 4th parameter space, non crit is shown with a nil.

Unfortunately I haven't compiled a decent test log (nothing untainted by Val'anyar or a fight showing decent raid damage) sample with the 4pT9. I honestly am not noticing a huge difference so far (fairly standard distribution of effective heal done in our usual healer core through just glancing at recount) but don't have the logs yet to compare. However, I was pretty much in complete agreement with Playered as to the changes most people will go through in changing from T8 to T9 before and after picking it up. One of the more noticeable losses of T8 for me has been the loss of the 2p because when I go for a swiftmend I generally am wanting a big heal to help bring someone dipping back up in a hurry, and that extra 10% can often be nice to see. In my mind it was a great 2pc, whereas 5% crit to nourish just doesn't seem as noticeable.

I would like to point out the dichotomy between T9p4 and item stat values. Spell power is still the best stat we have, by far, but to gain the most benefit from T9p4 you would have to get crit heavy gear. However for best throughput, you still want to get the gear with most spell power, and gem and enchant it so, which will further diminish the value of T9p4.

In my opinion there is no comparison to T8p4, which often has been a lifesaver (literally) for me in many situations - and even after the nerf it will be very good. The straight stat values on T9 will eventually overtake the usefulness of T8p4, but not at iLevel 232, or probably not even 245 (with a difference of about 100 spell damage and 50 crit rating).

I definitely need to delve into a log and see if I can also confirm this. I had taken the statement Drane made earlier about it not critting on full health targets at face value and did not verify. Unfortunately, I have some fairly large deliverables due at work by end of day that have been keeping me busy so it will likely be the weekend before I get more time to go through parses in any systematic way.

I try to pick up as many socket bonuses as possible. If the socket bonus is +SP, then it is usually a good trade-off to put the proper color gem into that piece. (take a look at my armory to see what i mean)
Personally, i gem Runed in red sockets, Purified in blue sockets, and Reckless (+SP/+haste) in yellow sockets. I really like the extra haste, mana is not a problem for me. However i think i'm in the minority, as many trees gem for +SP/+int instead. If you aren't having mana issues, i would go with the haste.

Edit: looking at your shoulders, they are a difficult decision...

If you take the socket bonus, you will gain 31 SP and 20 spi
If you gem Runed, you will gain 46 SP
On the margin, you are trading 15 spellpower for 20 spirit.
Point for point, i would guess that gemming Runed in the shoulders is the "better" decision.
Personally, i might still gem Purified, because i am OCD about socket bonuses, and i like stacking spirit.
in the end, its up to you

If you went from a pure stat-weighting methodology on gemming, you would gem for Runed Cardinal Rubies in every socket with the following exceptions:

1) ONE Purified Dreadstone to satisfy blue gem requirement for IED meta (best-practice would be to use this in a socket it matches and on a piece of equipment that has a spell power socket bonus).

2) ONE Luminous Ametrine to satisfy yellow gem requirement for IED meta (as above, best-practice would be to use this in a socket it matches and on a piece of equipment that has a spell power socket bonus).

3) Use of additional SINGLE Luminous Ametriine or Purified Dreadstone (beyond the 1 of each required) if a socket bonus is +5/+7 sp. You would not do this if you need to use TWO or more of these hybrid gems to activate a +5/+7 socket bonus. Then you would use Runed Cardinal as per normal.


You can see this gemming strategy in practice at:

Loot Rank for WotLK

The one thing it shows incorrectly is ESD as a meta instead of IED but this is because it doesn't understand how to valuate proc-based regen and so just places the 25 sp of ESD above in ranking. All of that said, hard-fast rules don't always apply -- you may be completely fine from a regen / mana standpoint and gem exclusively Runed Cardinal outside of the two hybrid gems required by IED.

One final step, if you had milked all the other regen out of your gearing (using throughput trinkets, throughput idol, etc.) and you still have excess mana -- you could also use ESD as a meta and go exclusively Runed Cardinal. But swapping out IED for ESD is the final step you would take and you would only take it after you had gotten rid of regen items everywhere else. For instance, going ESD and then using Spark of Hope to deal with mana issues would be a numbnut move. It would be better in that case to retain IED and replace Spark of Hope with a throughput trinket.

Exactly... i can't decide if stacking spi is worth it or not. I have a hard time evaluating if i have enough MP5 or not. I'm normally a raid healing tree, and even on fights like kologarn (constant blanketing, and spot nourishes to ppl in hand) i still normally end the fight with ~50% mana without using my innervate, but by that same token if we go an do ignis and i'm stuck pushing out more nourish to compensate for crotch pot i end up burning my own innervate and biting my nails waiting no it come to back the 2nd time.

Since 20 spirit = 4 sp and 7.5 mp5. On my shoulders this mean i'm giving up 11sp for 7.5 mp5... according to loot rank this is ofcourse a negative, but with mana being so random from fight to fight, i'm almost afriad to go straight throughput.

Confirmed 4 pc T9 will crit even on a full health target:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

9 lines down, full overheal crit of 4389.

Odd. Is that the only one you can find? I literally looked for half an hour through all my current logs to find any pure overheal crits and, for the life of me, I couldn't =/

I'll have our 25m Freya3 kill and 10man H-ToC uploaded soonish, I'll sift through that tonight.

EDIT: Found a few more in our Faction Champs kill, World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis.

[20:30:06.330] Draenna Rejuvenation Magisterial +*0* (O: 4389)
[20:30:08.192] Draenna Rejuvenation Arrena +*0* (O: 4389)
[20:30:09.368] Draenna Rejuvenation Magisterial +*0* (O: 4389)
[20:30:10.257] Draenna Rejuvenation Xiah +*0* (O: 4389)

This argument is terrible. You're saying that using the instant heal part to, as you put it, "snipe" is a purely bad thing. It's an instant heal with a 1second cooldown. Why on earth would you want to give that up? At the moment it's basically riptide with no cooldown. I understand that often it's used badly, but I also understand that it has the potential to save lives. If anything the fact that you change your healing to use it like this is a reason to hold it in higher regard than the numbers purely show, not the opposite. Though I admit taking numbers as high as 10% seems like it's been used to "snipe" too often, I find my actual usage of it to be more like 6%, becoming 3% or less with 3.2.2 as the fact that it will become a 1k heal probably makes it worse than just using Nourish without HoT.

It was from a design point of view. Druids have a fairly solid arsenal of spells (if not the best of all the healers) and half get ignored in no small part due to 4T8 making Rejuvenation cross too many boundaries. Having near unlimited mana was great and you wouldn't want to give it up but that doesn't stop it being bad for the class/game as a whole either.

I'm not trying to imply all our spells are perfect and that RJ became so overwhelmingly overpowered that they couldn't compete either. Nourish is poorly designed and overtuned as a result, Regrowth still needs some tweaking to bring it into a solid role (a slow weak and expensive direct heal with a long weak hot doesn't seem great), Wild Growth is potentially too cheap and Tranquility/SM have been mostly ignored for a couple of expansions.