Neither would the minimal healing increase from Living Seed on Twins (if you're soaking, as in you really can't cast most of the time and I don't see druids having any other roles in the fight unless you have too many) or Anub. That argument is pretty bad, seeing we've never debated what makes the fight go down. A bonus is a bonus, and in this case it pretty clearly outweighs Living Seed.

Ok i'll give you that NG and living seed do nothing for twins, and that revitalize is better for that one fight.

Ummm have you ever healed NR Beasts with living seed? It's my number 3 heal at 12%. We're the best...tank...healers? And besides putting rejuvs on the melee all you do in phase 1 is heal the tanks...

Yes I have
No I don't see that happening.

Nourish spam is too expensive, mana wise. LS procs happen too often to be fully utilized. It's just not meant to be, and is way better done by other classes.

Actually, when you start to check, it's a winner at 4/5 of ToTGC fights and the only one you'd want to go NG/LS is FC, which is totally fine without. For Beasts, Jaraxxus, Twins and Anub most you (should) do is hotting and it clearly wins.

Druids are by far the worst tank healers. Nourish/Glyphed HT mana won't last, as a MT healer you'll pretty much have to spam Nourish 24/7. The nature of our healing works (hots hots hots) which really aren't the best healing/time on MT's, and the gear (no intellect like the three other MT healers), I don't see druids doing anything else but raid healing.

One thing I have noticed is that I seem to be in need of providing that quick burst heal more often in ToC than I ever was in Ulduar and I've been looking for ways to address that. I started out thinking about haste but it's not really buying me a ton of additional speed (better measured in hundreths of seconds rather than tenths). Assuming I could swap a perfect 180 crit for 180 haste, this is buying me ~4% crit. Even factoring in 4 pc T9 effects, 4% crit is not buying me a ton of overall effective throughput. Depending on composition of heals, maybe 1% if I'm being generous. The mental calculation I've been making due to ToC damage profile is weighing that 1% effective throughput vs a quicker landing burst heal when I need it. That said, the additional 180 haste past 359 isn't buying me a ton of value either.

So, while not directly tied to itemization, I've kept my haste close to 360-range but switched to a 14/0/57 build from 11/0/60 because (unlike Ulduar) the occasions where I back-to-back(-to-back) Nourish are frequent enough in our current progression through ToC to give value to a NG spec. It could be I'm having to take these measures to compensate while this is progression content and people aren't avoiding the avoidable damage, etc. But right now, I am definitely finding speed of burst to be very valuable.

From a broader more theoretical perspective outside of my own practical application, if someone at 14/0/57 spec with 541 haste instead replaced 180 haste with 180 crit and went with an 11/0/60 build that included 3/3 Natural Perfection, they could squeeze an additional ~7% crit into their setup and maybe start getting effective throughput gained from the additional crit rating and talents into the 2% range. At that point, we weigh 2% additional effective throughput versus the additional functionality of quicker sustained burst healing (for the occasions that merit it).

My gut on this is that, while the fights are progression, the value of NG spec for the situations that require it can better help get the raid over the hump than the 1-2% additional throughput. It has enabled me to get the life-savers down to compensate for people not doing the right things while learning the content. So, my personal compromise has been to gear for crit past 359 but spec for the additional burst of NG. I can change spec alot quicker than I can change gearing and quite frankly the NG proc is buying me more functionality than the additional haste would anyway. Once the content is on farm and the raid is generally better at avoiding the avoidable, I'll probably spec back to 11/0/60 that includes 3/3 Natural Perfection. But at that point, does the min/maxing really matter?

It may be too mana expensive for you, especially since you seem to forego regen on gear a lot. I don't have any issues spamming nourish.
What world do you live in where druids are not the best MT healers? I'm always number 1 on, if not all three, at least 2 of the MTs and we have a holy paladin and a disc priest. If you are having mana issues you may need better mana support from your other healers and fellow druids; ie Tide, Hymn, feral/moonkin innervates.

Also, check MMO champion, in 3.3 they are making HoTs(in the beginning only rejuv) scale with haste. Meaning the more haste the quicker the ticks come and the quicker the spell expires(hello MT/Twins healing). So think about that when you are trying to decide whether or not you want to "just" meet haste soft cap and for which rank of GotEM you are capping for.

"We are trying to make haste a slightly more attractive stat for classes that utilize a lot of damage or healing over time spells, specifically Shadow priests, warlocks (though especially Affliction) and Resto druids. We realize other classes use hots and dots too, but I think we can all agree that it's a bigger problem for the ones I mentioned.

I'm going to share with you an idea that the class and item designers came up with for 3.3. This is a work in progress so it's possible we'll end up going a different way after we see how it plays. However I also wanted to explain our logic here in case it wasn't obvious.

We have new tech that will allow specific hots and dots to tick faster -- the time between ticks would decrease. This means more damage or healing per time but also having to refresh those spells more often. Since there is a trade-off, we're not sure the change is a no-brainer, especially in the healing case.

Because of this, we are planning on introducing the concept through glyphs. Glyphs represent a great test bed for new ideas because they are easier to change (and easier on the players when we do change them) compared to core spell functions or even talents. If we like the way it feels and players like the way it feels and the glyphs prove popular or fun, then this may be the kind of thing that shifts from glyphs over time -- not unlike the way some favorite set bonuses eventually become talents.

For 3.3 we are talking about introducing three new glyphs for Shadow Word: Pain, Corruption and Rejuvenation that would allow these spells to tick faster with the more haste you have. There are glyphs of Corruption and Rejuv already, and we're not sure how we're going to resolve those yet. For Shadow Word: Pain, we are likely to rename the current glyph to Glyph of Mind Flay, remove the old Glyph of Mind Flay, and increase Mind Flay by 10 yards in the base spell.

Again, these are not promises (nor ponies). For a variety of reasons, you may see these changes on the PTR or you may not. If you do see any or all of the three glyphs implemented however, we wanted you to have some idea of what we were trying to do. Feedback is certainly appreciated, especially if you get to try them out."

That change is straight up listed as experimental. Furthermore since it will reduce the base length of your rejuv tick in most cases it will result in more overheal than you're already doing. It will be situational at best. That is not a reason to make poor choices now.

In short, until they make haste affect rejuv to the extent that it makes it tick faster and does not reduce the duration - aka more healing overall, this change will bring nothing to the table other than to have a secondary set of gear still gemmed for SP but with more passive haste in the event that you put the glyph in for a certain fight.

Edit: Linking the post so that people who have not seen it can see that the change is not even guaranteed to go in. It is merely an idea they are floating at present.

You have 992 spirit, 1141 intellect, and 303 mp5 while casting. Whereas I have 1216 spirit, 1207 intellect, and 353 mp5 while casting. Your "BiS" compilation puts you at 1035 spirit, 1255 intellect and 334 mp5. While mine puts me at 1212 spirit, 1269 intellect and 389 mp5. Yes the extra 50* mp5(14%) is a big deal.

World of Warcraft 3.x, that's the world. Even IF you could match the single target HPS of a Paladin (which is highly suspect if said Paladin has a clue), you plain out don't have the tools in the toolkit that Paladins and Disc Priests have to deal with burst damage situations such as Pain Suppression and DG. However much you are milking out of Living Seed, it is a poor man's version of this at best.

We have Swiftmend(which is much better than 1 tick of penance, or holy shock) and NS HT(which is the poor man's version of LoH which is available every 3 min).

First one--even when we see the correct number, probably not great. Small buff to WG--usual lackluster 2pc for Resto.
Second one--awesome.