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Old 12/13/09, 3:54 PM   #1156
csar
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Burning Blade
I need some help in deciding which piece of gear is the best off piece of t10 assuming that the 4 piece works out to be something we would like to have. (as for me i think it will be something i would like to have)

The options i think are

Deathwhisper Chestpiece - Items - Sigrie
Shoulders of Frost-Tipped Thorns - Items - Sigrie
Leather of Stitched Scourge Parts - Items - Sigrie
Sanguine Silk Robes - Items - Sigrie

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Old 12/13/09, 4:02 PM   #1157
 Hamlet
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The leather shoulders and cloth chest are the only ways (known so far) to replace a crit T10 piece with a haste offset piece, so those seem to be the only serious options.


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Old 12/14/09, 12:30 PM   #1158
Kirbie44
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Magtheridon
Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
The leather shoulders and cloth chest are the only ways (known so far) to replace a crit T10 piece with a haste offset piece, so those seem to be the only serious options.
Shoulders of Frost-Tipped Thorns - Items - Sigrie
Sanguine Silk Robes - Items - Sigrie
Sanctified Lasherweave Pauldrons - Items - Sigrie
Sanctified Lasherweave Robes - Items - Sigrie

If you take Leather Shoulders and Tier Chest you gain 20 Critical over 20 Haste, With Red+Yellow=7SP Socket bonus and Yellow=5SP Socket bonus.

If you take Cloth Chest and Tier Shoulders, you gain 20 Haste over 20 Critical, With Red+Blue=7SP Socket bonus and Red=5SP Socket bonus.

You gain more stat weight off the Cloth Chest and Tier Shoulders, and more SP in sockets if you fill bonuses. You would need to be allowed to loot the cloth though as a leather wearer.

Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity.

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Old 12/15/09, 10:23 AM   #1159
Nut
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Kael'thas
Am I reading something wrong or aren't [Vestments of Spruce and Fir] better than Sanguine Silk Robes?

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Old 12/15/09, 10:49 AM   #1160
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Originally Posted by Nut View Post
Am I reading something wrong or aren't [Vestments of Spruce and Fir] better than Sanguine Silk Robes?
While looking through the loot table, I never thought to look at the badge gear. I would agree with you there. Easy/Guaranteed to be dropped, and you won't ninja anyone's cloth gear. The only downside is the extra badges. Your running 95 (Head) + 60 (Shoulder) + 95 (Legs) + 60 (Hands) = 310 Badges for Tier gear. I just spent 30 on the Idol, and the linked chest is 95. 435 Badges for 5 pieces plus the Idol. As of right now, you can get 14 (Daily) + 5 (Weekly) +8 (25 man) + 8 (10 man) = 35 badges a week. +6 from the new dungeon quests. Badge grinding for tier is getting old quick

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Old 12/15/09, 11:14 AM   #1161
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Badge gear isn't realistically available for a while due to the tier loot system, and doesn't have a 278 version. It's a possibility if you need something later on though. A Moonkin set piece is another possibility.


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Old 12/15/09, 11:52 AM   #1162
Fallenangel
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Chromaggus (EU)
You are assuming 4T10, whose value is really far from determined. It could be anything from bad to basically must have. The forced inclusion of 2 crit pieces isn't helping, either, although that might prove to be an issue regardless since for instance there wasn't any cloth or leather helm without crit.

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Old 12/15/09, 2:31 PM   #1163
Vecanoi
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Argent Dawn
Hey folks, just looking for some quick input to help me make a decision.

I'm currently wearing [Robes of the Shattered Fellowship] and the [Stormrage Crown] and 3/5 T9. Now the problem I'm having is this...

Do you think it's worth it to 'downgrade' a piece there to 4/5 T9 for the set bonus? I'm having some issues deciding whether or not the set bonus is worth it, with my current itemization. Reading the tooltip, it sounds amazing, but with my current gear, it's not like I'd be expecting to see RJ crits popping up everywhere.

I'll probably pick a piece up (helm, most likely) and keep it in my bags to test it out (personal preference and all that), but I was just wondering what the community thinks, and what the general consensus is.

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Old 12/15/09, 5:07 PM   #1164
Shelendil
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For me, rejuv makes up 33-50% of my healing. With a 25% crit rate, it's worth ~4% raw throughput. This is far more than some minor stats on any one item will give you.

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Old 12/16/09, 2:59 AM   #1165
Loot
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Hey guys, I just got a lovely tree to 80 and ultimately want to make it part of the forest. However, I'm having some problems picking new gear. As rogue, I'm coming from the land of EP (equivalence points) valuing the gear as rough estimate and spreadsheets for the precise one, but can't find anything similar here. I have read about which stat is good, which bad, haste and the cap, unreliable crit, etc, but that does not allow me to make a list in wowhead putting values for spirit, int, haste, crit, sp and creating a plan, nor allows me to use pawn addon to very quickly do the decision ingame. Are there any, even rough EP values for the stats?

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Old 12/16/09, 10:29 AM   #1166
Mjoedgaard
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Tauren Druid
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
Originally Posted by Loot View Post
Hey guys, I just got a lovely tree to 80 and ultimately want to make it part of the forest. However, I'm having some problems picking new gear. As rogue, I'm coming from the land of EP (equivalence points) valuing the gear as rough estimate and spreadsheets for the precise one, but can't find anything similar here. I have read about which stat is good, which bad, haste and the cap, unreliable crit, etc, but that does not allow me to make a list in wowhead putting values for spirit, int, haste, crit, sp and creating a plan, nor allows me to use pawn addon to very quickly do the decision ingame. Are there any, even rough EP values for the stats?
This calc can show how much a stat is worth at your current gear (can also tell how much a talent is worth with your gear).
TreeCalcs: WrathCalcs, respecced

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Old 12/17/09, 11:55 AM   #1167
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Originally Posted by Vecanoi View Post
I'm currently wearing [Robes of the Shattered Fellowship] and the [Stormrage Crown] and 3/5 T9. Now the problem I'm having is this...

Do you think it's worth it to 'downgrade' a piece there to 4/5 T9 for the set bonus? I'm having some issues deciding whether or not the set bonus is worth it, with my current itemization. Reading the tooltip, it sounds amazing, but with my current gear, it's not like I'd be expecting to see RJ crits popping up everywhere.
Even with a lower crit %, say like 15 UB, you will notice rejuvenation crits popping up everywhere, so it is not what you would expect. Use the blizzard combat text for healing in a raid sometimes, and you would be amazed at what you see.

So yes, get the set bonus, it is amazing! In my opinion.

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Old 12/17/09, 2:13 PM   #1168
eluv
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Ravencrest
Just posted this over in the healing forums, thought it might be helpful here:

The T10 4 Set and You:
Warning, wall of math inc:

A 2% chance per tick, with 6 ticks, is not a 12% chance to proc. In fact, the chance that it will not proc at all is

(.98)^6=88.58%

While this does leave a close to 12% chance to proc, this 11.42% also includes the possibility that it will proc more than once, the chance of the various number of procs is:

(.98)^5*(0.02)^1*(6P1)=10.85% chance of 1 proc
(.98)^4*(0.02)^2*(6P2)=0.44% chance of 2 procs
(.98)^3*(0.02)^3*(6P3)=0.01% chance of 3 procs

Chance of anything more is obviously even more vanishingly small. This being a binomial distribution, the average procs per cast is pretty simple to work out:

Average # of procs: 0.02*6 = 0.12

Note the difference here, this means that each rejuvenation, on average, will proc 0.12 more rejuvs, not that each rejuv has a 12% chance to proc a new one.

Assuming rejuvenation is typically 55% overheal, and assuming the proc (since it will likely not be "smart") will be 75% overheal, then a procced rejuv on average is:

0.25/0.45=55% as effective as one you cast.

This means that if you cast about 100 rejuvenations in a fight, you will proc about 12 free ones, at 55% effectiveness, for an increase of:

12*.55=6.6 "casted" rejuvs, which in this case means an increase of 6.6% to our rejuv healing.

If rejuv is 30% of your healing, the set bonus is then worth about:

0.066*0.3 = 2% Increased throughput

Compared to 4t9 this is very weak, but is nonetheless about what you would expect from a set bonus.

If you want to substitute in different numbers for some of the estimations I made, the increased throughput you get will be

12*(P/C)*R

Where P is the proc's overheal percentage, C is your average casted rejuv's overheal, and R is your % of healing made up of rejuv.

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Old 12/17/09, 3:22 PM   #1169
Norfair
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Going from 100 Rejuvenations to 112 Rejuvenations is a 12% increase in Rejuvenation healing, period. You should not calculate overhealing that way, because what you are calculating now is that those 100 Rejuvenations will not overheal, but the 12 procced ones will.

If 33% of your healing is RJ healing, then it will increase your output by 4%. This of course, assuming that none of the procced RJs snipe away any healing of your own. Therefore, your formula should just be 12*R.


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Old 12/17/09, 3:34 PM   #1170
Shelendil
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Lightbringer
It seems like a fairly good set bonus then.

Assuming 25% crit, 4 piece T9 is 12.5% increase to rejuv (before accounting for overhealing).

Edit: the only issue I can see is if it does not prefer targets without rejuv, then it will simply refresh the buff, thus losing effectiveness.

Last edited by Shelendil : 12/17/09 at 3:51 PM.

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