Restoration Itemization - Page 85

♦ Carebare · 01/05/10, 3:24 PM

Am I missing math here?

In a perfect world of 277 loot:
[Trauma] + [Sundial of Eternal Dusk] (836 + 23 + 63 + 119)
1041 sp & 68 haste
vs.
[Dying Light] (837 + 23x3 + 81 + (131 * 0.19)) Wowhead shows two sockets, but MMO-C shows three.
1011.89 & 131 haste

30 Spellpower to pick up 63 haste is worthy of consideration if that extra spellpower can be picked up elsewhere easily and I'll wager it can be without a problem. This is a nice alternative to needing 2x 277 loots and on the off chance that Trauma ends up being better for your raid in the hands of another class it is less selfish as well. Not to mention that you're getting 50 more stamina, a useful progress stat.

Just food for thought, again it just depends on what people see and what they can get. If trauma is not AMAZING on us and I can snag this staff without much competition I will gladly take it over chancing a lost roll on Trauma and waiting for upgrades. I can make it work one way or another.

Edit: It will depend on the socket count, 3 seems like too good to be true and then trading 53 SP to pick up 60 haste is obviously less appealing -- though still not terrible if you can somehow recover it.

Playered · 01/05/10, 3:37 PM

Wowhead is less reliable on loot which is currently unavailable while MMO-C pulls it off the official Armory which should be more accurate.

Kirbie44 · 01/05/10, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by Carebare

Am I missing math here?

In a perfect world of 277 loot:
[Trauma] + [Sundial of Eternal Dusk] (836 + 23 + 63 + 119)
1041 sp & 68 haste
vs.
[Dying Light] (837 + 23x3 + 81 + (131 * 0.19)) Wowhead shows two sockets, but MMO-C shows three.
1011.89 & 131 haste

I would assume Heroic is 3 sockets.

The math your missing (if any) is the amazing proc. You obviously know it is good, and most likely have the same math I do.

5x1 : Rejuve every 5 seconds -> WG. Rejuve = 6 ticks x 5 Rejuves = 30 ticks (over 6 seconds). WG = 36 ticks (6 People X 6 Ticks). 66 Ticks/6 seconds = 11 Ticks/1 second. 11% chance in a latency free environment. 10% chance for error, latency, and easy math. 10% chance to get the 6 second heal gives us ~ 60% uptime. Now RNG plays a big role in this equation, and 60% uptime is most likely un-realistic, considering back to back proc's etc.

I am not quite sure how accurate this is, this is just in my head math that I have been basing this off, since I have yet to see it live. Also, I had no idea about dying light. In the loot-lists, I must have overlooked this weapon. I do not see caster DPS wanting this staff over anything MH/OH. I think it would be best (depending on how your loot system worked) to work it out with priest healers and yourself for what you may want. Trauma seems too good for a resto druid, but may not be so bad for a CoH priest. If it proc's of Overhealing, JoL Paladins will be good with this as well.

Ogbar · 01/05/10, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by Carebare

Am I missing math here?

No, you are correct. I'd been comparing Sundial and [Frozen Bonespike] against dying light with 2 sockets when I made that comment. Comparing trauma to a stat stick is hard to quantify but that choice seemed straight forward.

• Hamlet · 01/05/10, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Carebare

30 Spellpower to pick up 63 haste is worthy of consideration if that extra spellpower can be picked up elsewhere easily and I'll wager it can be without a problem. This is a nice alternative to needing 2x 277 loots and on the off chance that Trauma ends up being better for your raid in the hands of another class it is less selfish as well. Not to mention that you're getting 50 more stamina, a useful progress stat.

Roughly how I looked at, but this only supports Trauma being good. It's nearly as good (~33 sp/haste worse) even completely ignoring the proc. The proc will be tuned to be competitive with the two secondary stats you'd ordinarily find on a weapon--roughly 50-60 each. We should expect the Trauma combo to be significantly better. (I hadn't noticed that they left sockets off of the caster offhands to try to keep staves competitive, but it doesn't really change the result in our case).

For the same reason, it will be more appealing to us than to classes who will miss those stats more.

Anaram · 01/05/10, 5:35 PM

I wrote testing results for Trauma up from PTR earlier but I think we'll know soon enough how it turns up on live. Most things were as you'd expect but the heal only procced on per-group basis which was highly inconvenient (cutting the potential in perhaps half). That might have been a bug and might have gotten fixed, but with that in mind the proc was about 1.5-2.0% of my effective healing in a very small number of test fights.

Shelendil · 01/05/10, 6:30 PM

Originally Posted by Carebare

Am I missing math here?

In a perfect world of 277 loot:
[Trauma] + [Sundial of Eternal Dusk] (836 + 23 + 63 + 119)
1041 sp & 68 haste
vs.
[Dying Light] (837 + 23x3 + 81 + (131 * 0.19)) Wowhead shows two sockets, but MMO-C shows three.
1011.89 & 131 haste

You overlooked the 68 spirit on the offhand. That brings it to 42 sp + proc versus the 63 haste.

♦ Carebare · 01/05/10, 6:35 PM

Thanks figured I missed something. Obviously the point is moot if Trauma is just amazing for us. Just trying to keep up with other alternatives in case Trauma ends up widely desired or in a world of hate-on-carebare just straight up doesn't drop.

Ogbar · 01/07/10, 11:27 AM

Here are a few log parses of people who have gotten trauma, I harvested them from official forum skimming but I thought I'd place them here for easy access to those that wish to do some early analysis. The heal is "Fountain of Light"

Animations Shaman
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Vdub druid
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

The 1% proc rate I couldn't confirm from the data but 0 ICD seems to be correct.

Nefaruis · 01/07/10, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Roughly how I looked at, but this only supports Trauma being good. It's nearly as good (~33 sp/haste worse) even completely ignoring the proc. The proc will be tuned to be competitive with the two secondary stats you'd ordinarily find on a weapon--roughly 50-60 each. We should expect the Trauma combo to be significantly better. (I hadn't noticed that they left sockets off of the caster offhands to try to keep staves competitive, but it doesn't really change the result in our case).

For the same reason, it will be more appealing to us than to classes who will miss those stats more.

I was wondering if you took into consideration the fact that with Dying light you can use the 277 ilvl crit bracers from Valritha while with Trauma/Sundial the ToGC bracers are still required to hit non CF haste requirements without an inordinate amount of haste gemming and even that requires full heroic gear and 3 reckless gems.

If my math serves me the difference between the two options is actually in favor of Dying light by a little.

Also having looked at Vdub's logs, and granted this is limited data, the proc only accounted for 2.9% of his total raw healing with almost 54% of that 2.9% being overheal. I just dont see that as being all that better than the option of not having to grab two items vs the 1 staff (RNG lords be praised).

grimtage · 01/07/10, 7:26 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

It almost doesn't even matter how good the proc is. We get the proc in exchange for two secondary stats, only one of which we use to begin with. And other 25-man caster 1H doesn't have haste anyway. It's a 1H with a socket (in Heroic), which is optimal for spellpower. Short of stacking even more spellpower, a weird proc is the only way to squeeze more healing onto a weapon.

And assuming it will be balanced to be vaguely useful for other classes who are giving up more to use it, it will strongly BiS for us.

I just can't see Trauma beating Val'anyr. That proc has ranged from 8% to 25% of my total healing. That's well over 1000 effective spell power in total on the weapon in best case and at least 850 worst case; how can anything beat that? Are you saying that Trauma is BiS when ignoring Val'anyr or are you saying it's BiS if you can't get Val'anyr? Surely people haven't replaced Val'anyr in TotC.

• Hamlet · 01/07/10, 8:38 PM

Ignoring Val'anyr. I doubt anyone would replace that.

blowtorch · 01/08/10, 5:12 AM

Re: the 4T9 vs 4T10 discussion
Is it a possibility that the Rejuvenation that 'jumps' to another target is treated either as a Rejuvenation not cast by us or a different spell effect (thus not over writing our current Rejuvenation on the target)?

If it is, Resto 4T10 becomes a viable bonus. Otherwise I can't see how it can compare with the other druid 4T10 set bonuses.

endoriel · 01/08/10, 6:22 AM

I have spent a lot of dkp on Trauma and honestly I think it will stay in my bank. After I got it I went to a pug in ToC 25 and results are very disappointing. I had around 4500 effective healing at beasts in a fight with a good chunk of raid damage. Overheal was 92%. I also had less then 2000 effective healing at Anub with 93% overhealing. Better results as expected were at twins where, with only 48% overhealing it had 32000 effective healing.

I also have the trinket, Althor's Abacus that seems very good. It does almost as good as Trauma but being a smart heal and the fact that it's a trinket proc (I lose over 100 haste to be able to use Trauma, going well under haste cap with CF, so I expect better results then replacing some regen that I don't need) makes it more valuable in my eyes. Crits for almost 10k and I had it at least once save the tank or someone else, in the few days I've been using it.

I can link some wowmeter logs from the pug where I tested Trauma if anyone is interested.

Jezz · 01/08/10, 6:48 AM

Originally Posted by endoriel

I have spent a lot of dkp on Trauma and honestly I think it will stay in my bank. After I got it I went to a pug in ToC 25 and results are very disappointing. I had around 4500 effective healing at beasts in a fight with a good chunk of raid damage. Overheal was 92%. I also had less then 2000 effective healing at Anub with 93% overhealing. Better results as expected were at twins where, with only 48% overhealing it had 32000 effective healing.

I also have the trinket, Althor's Abacus that seems very good. It does almost as good as Trauma but being a smart heal and the fact that it's a trinket proc (I lose over 100 haste to be able to use Trauma, going well under haste cap with CF, so I expect better results then replacing some regen that I don't need) makes it more valuable in my eyes. Crits for almost 10k and I had it at least once save the tank or someone else, in the few days I've been using it.

I can link some wowmeter logs from the pug where I tested Trauma if anyone is interested.

I was also fairly disappointed with it after a night of testing in ToGC. In a Twins heroic 25 kill, it healed for a total of 29,000 making up 1.1% of my total healing, Althor's healed for 38,000 at 1.5% of my total healing. Starting to doubt whether it was worth picking up considering how difficult it has now become to juggle items around to keep my haste up.