The numbers are generated on the fly, so I'd have to model the rotations completely before the numbers meant anything. That said:

V1.1.3 is up! V1.1.3 now includes (hopefully) strong support for Eclipse when choosing the IS, MF, Filler rotations. Note that this includes the previous caveats for choosing which Eclipse Rotation Type, in that it assumes you're using the "dumb" rotation unless you specifically choose the "smart" rotation each time you change your filler type. That said, some interesting observations:

The third point in Eclipse is showing strong value even with a high native crit rate when using a smart Starfire rotation (which is the highest DPS rotation available) We're talking on the order of 100 DPS, like the other two points.

The smart Wrath rotation has lower DPS than the dumb Wrath rotation, likely because of Starfire's higher DPET and larger benefit from Eclipse. This means that you really do want to make the switch to a SF filler rotation as quickly as possible.

The Starfire Idol seems to have higher value than the Wrath idol on all but the smart Wrath rotation, likely because of the former observation.

The model makes some assumptions, namely that you will refresh your DoTs the moment they drop. This is NOT OPTIMAL. However, trying to get it coded optimally is going to take a huge amount of effort, which will take time. I wanted to get at least a modicum of support for Eclipse in ASAP. To work out casting DoTs, the model takes the total time spent casting filler, divides it by the DoT durations, then allocates the appropriate partial GCDs to each part of the rotation based on time spent. The duration for Moonfire is assumed to always be full-length on the Starfire filler rotation, but only one Moonfire per rotation is extended in the Wrath rotation (I assume you will get in 3 Starfires during Eclipse in the smart rotation, extension is based on number of pre-Eclipse SFs cast in the dumb rotation).

Now that this set of Eclipse rotations is in, the other DoT-based rotations should come pretty quickly; I just have to copy the pages and remove stuff, rather than make new models. Hopefully I'll be able to get them in during my days off for Christmas, but no promises.

Penalty is a multiplier because the spell queuing system doesn't work for spells that clip the GCD. That's my understanding of it, anyway.

This. A penalty of 1 is (unless I've made an error somewhere), actually not a penalty, but normal, as all spells are subject to latency (though you can make it very small with AHK if you're not worried about Blizzard finding out). A Penalty of two suggests that, since you can't queue a spell while under GCD, you actually have to suffer through the full roundtrip latency effect, which is double your ping. It's a quick-fix, as I'm not sure that 2 is the correct answer, but I'm very sure that 1 is the wrong answer. I made it into a variable, though, so it would be easier to change. You're right that, at high latency, it causes Nature's Grace to actually be a DPS loss.

Actually, now that I think about it, Wrath's cast time should always be the GCD or less, which means it should never be queueable. I'm going to look into this, because that doesn't sound right, as I'm sure I've been queueing it.

As for the calcs in E6, I'm on the fence about them. I wanna run some sanity checks before I upload it, but your theory's definitely sound.

E21, you're probably right. My SOP for generating the Wrath numbers is to copy the whole Starfire section and swap stuff around. Looks like I missed a spot.

Any chance of getting Owlkin Frenzy added to calculations? Or the spreadsheet works most for Patchwerk -like encounters?

Modeling Owlkin Frenzy in pretty much hopeless (Or will be very situational) - For common moonkin use I dare claim that theres no good reason to pick Owlkin Frenzy over Brambles (Malygos 5min being the main exception).

Perhaps if they start adding more raid damage later on, but for now its not a very useful talent. Both are fairly low dps boosts, but Brambles is if nothing else more reliable atleast.

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If you want to model it then figure out what averaged % you wanna examine (Check your wws's for number of hits in the fight you wanna look at, which of the hits can proc it & match with proc chance, uptime etc.)

Look at Moonfury to get an idea of what 10% gives & devide that number by whatever % you calculated to be a realistic Owlkin Frenzy averaged gain.

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http://elitistjerks.com/988623-post54.html - Is my quick approximation over its value in Naxx fights (Was done after our first clear so fight lenghts are way off).

I'd say Sarth3, more so. This does mean it can be reasonable to spec OF, as for many people (myself included) this is the only challenging thing we're working on each week.

Also, let's generously say Brambles adds 1% average DPS for 3 points. For OF to give that much, it would need to have 10% uptime, which means it only has to proc every 100 seconds. Fights where you take damage every 15 seconds on average don't seem too outlandish. There aren't too many in Naxx because it's so easy, but it's entirely possible that hard fights in later zones will have that much raid damage.

For contrast, imagine how nice a talent OF would be if the current content included Kil'Jaeden, M'uru, Twins, Kalecgos, and Illidan.

I went over my wws from the last 4½-5 naxx clears to check Frenzy value again.

Ill stick to the fights where Im pretty sure what procs it (Leaving sapphiron out fx as I got no idea if the aura triggers or not).

Anub'rekhan
10 hits // 532 sec
1.5proc = 15 sec
Uptime = 2.8%
Averaged %-gain = 0.28%

Faerlina
18 hits // 435 sec
2.7procs = 27sec
Uptime = 6.2%
Averaged %-gain = 0.62%

Maexnna
13 hits // 453 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.43%

Patchwerk
0 hits

Grobbulus
48 hits // 1353 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.53%

Gluth
18 hits // 826 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.33%

Thaddius
48 hits // 1241 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.58%

Razuvious
59 hits // 959 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.92%

4h
61 hits // 1335 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.69%

Noth
25 hits // 1025 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.37%

Heigan
10 hits // 945 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.16%

Kel'thuzad
53 hits // 1537 sec
Averaged %-gain = 0.52%

Malygos
A heavy night of 5min attempt wiping with Owlkin Frenzy spec shows me about 0.8procs pr attempt - I guess we called it a wipe around 3mins averaged - So roughly a 0.5% gain there.

Sartharion+3 (Low sample size)
8 hits in 441seconds.
1.2procs = 12sec.
Uptime = 2.7%
% gain = 0.27% -> Sample size might be unfair dunno.

On the same Sartharion my trees list in at 4.33%. If I would have had Brambles (old parse so I dont) that would have been 4.95% / or a total gain of 0.65% damage done over the full fight.


Edit : Sorry for hijacking the thread!

Lets take into consideration on how many boss fights do the treants survive more than 10 seconds or if the boss is ''available'' for dps over 30 seconds in a row, without any aoe around him.

Boss - "available for 30sec just after heroism cast yes/no" - Aoe?

Anub'rekhan - Yes --- Yes impale might kill them, in reality this is a pretty low risk though & they usually survive.
Faerlina - Yes --- There's aoe, but if they die its due to a poor tank/lack of healing & not the encounters fault.
Maexxna - Yes --- No aoe.
Razuvious - Yes --- Distrupting shout wont kill them.
Gothik - Hard to get a full 30sec duration. --- No aoe (looking at the only meaningful casting time).
4h - Yes --- Very strategy dependant, in some cases they will survive full duration & in others they get nuked by 3 boss casts (allthough quite an amazing tool to stabilize a pull / safe ranged tank from slacking healing).
Noth - Yes --- No aoe.
Heigan - Yes --- Tank dependant, but treants will die & fairly fast.
Loatheb - Yes --- Nothing deadly.
Patchwerk - Yes --- No aoe.
Grobbulus - Yes --- Nothing deadly.
Gluth - Yes --- No aoe.
Thaddius - Yes --- Phase 1 nothing / Phase 2 they will die.
Sapphiron - Yes --- They will die.
Kel'thuzad - Yes --- They usually die, but lasts longer than some of the other certain death fights.
Sartharion - Yes --- For 3D perspective they are likely to die in a fissure, but on the other hand brambles helps with adding burst for where it was needed when we had level 70 gear.
Malygos - Yes --- They usually survive.

17 bosses, possible on atleast 16 of those to dps for 30seconds after you popped heroism.
In 10 of the 17 fights chances are very high that they survive for their full duration.
In some cases you can be sure that they wont (Sapphiron, Thaddius p2, 4h some strategies, Heigan) & in others theres a pretty high risk (Sartharion, Kel'thuzad).

So it becomes a matter of preferance, I find it very hard to justify speccing Owl'Kin frenzy before Brambles, but both talents are in the weaker dps department & likely to be dropped if you want more utility or need mana.

I read somewhere here on EJ that spells gain 5 points of damage per level. This would put Starfire at 1038-1222, which would match your results.

1) Yes.
2) Add 37 sp yourself?
4) Answered here : http://elitistjerks.com/1097541-post415.html