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Old 12/08/08, 10:10 AM   #1
vyce
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Pawn addon values for all specs

The mod Pawn allows you to enter values for each stat so that you can compare items more easily.

Note, these values change as gear changes, but it is at a decent approximation of the value of each item. Rawr/Spreadsheets/Experience are superior sources of information.

Over in the Paladin forum we have a thread going with Pawn values in order to help determine gear value for the different specs. A friend of mine is looking for something like this for his druid, specifically for bear and cat forms. Since there was no thread going already, I figured I'd start one. I'll update this thread with suggested strings.
Feral Cat (dps):

( Pawn: v1: "kiku cat dps": ArmorPenetration=0.12, MeleeDps=2.71, CritRating=0.61, Strength=1.03, Agility=0.93, HitRating=1.06, ExpertiseRating=1.06, HasteRating=0.70, FeralAp=0.44, Ap=0.44 )

Feral Bear (tank):

Resto (healing):

( Pawn: v1: "red's resto": Intellect=5.794, RedSocket=178.562, CritRating=2.047, ColorlessSocket=178.562, MetaSocket=339.242, HasteRating=2.866, BlueSocket=114.582, YellowSocket=130.934, SpellPower=9.398, Spirit=5.133, Mp5=10 )

( Pawn: v1: "vom's resto": Intellect=54.0, CritRating= 8.5, SpellPower= 52.5, Spirit= 58.9, Mp5= 100 )

Balance (dps):
edit: updated 12/14/08

Last edited by vyce : 12/14/08 at 10:25 PM.

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Old 12/08/08, 11:34 AM   #2
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The general rule for druids is to use Rawr since the weights change as your gear changes.

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Old 12/08/08, 11:45 AM   #3
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That's actually true for almost every class (afaik). Pawn is good as a sort of guide rather than a hard rule.

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Old 12/09/08, 12:23 AM   #4
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I generally punch the stat values Rawr gives me into Pawn for reference as well as putting them into Lootrank for an offline guide.

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Old 12/09/08, 5:55 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by RareBeast View Post
I generally punch the stat values Rawr gives me into Pawn for reference as well as putting them into Lootrank for an offline guide.
I havent used Rawr that much, could you maybe help me out where I can find the current stat weighing displayed in Rawr?

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Old 12/09/08, 5:30 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Miim View Post
I havent used Rawr that much, could you maybe help me out where I can find the current stat weighing displayed in Rawr?
Get all your gear loaded up, choose the correct model (Cat vs Bear vs etc), then at the top of the right-hand frame (Comparisons), there's a dropdown labeled "Chart". It's set to "Gear > Head". Click there, and go down towards the bottom of the list. You want "Relative Stat Values".

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Old 12/09/08, 6:55 PM   #7
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Unfortunately, it doesn't appear as if Rawr has relative stat values for the Tree model. It also seems to way overvalue haste and crit ratings, based on items and gems it recommends. I think a 'general guide' would be useful to many restoration druids out there, especially those who are still working on gear from heroics and maybe some of the 10 mans. As a starting point, let's use values from this post in the itemization thread.

( Pawn: v1: "resto": Intellect=5.794, RedSocket=178.562, CritRating=2.047, ColorlessSocket=178.562, MetaSocket=339.242, HasteRating=2.866, BlueSocket=114.582, YellowSocket=130.934, SpellPower=9.398, Spirit=5.133, Mp5=10 )

In a format that is easier to read:
Intellect: 5.794
Spirit: 5.133
Spellpower: 9.398
Mp5: 10
Crit Rating: 2.047
Haste Rating: 2.866

Socket values in the string are based on the following gems; I don't know if they're optimal.
[Luminous Monarch Topaz] [Royal Twilight Opal] [Runed Scarlet Ruby] [Ember Skyflare Diamond] (The +2% int assumes 900 int)

Would anybody like to suggest improvements?

Personally I might consider lowering haste and crit values, and increasing spell power, due to scaling issues. I would also bump up spirit and lower int, since I don't raid with replenishment (another issue entirely).

Originally Posted by Diameter View Post
Unfortunently, [Purified Twilight Opal] can not be cut in game. Hopefully they add in a lot of gem recipies (as well as some extra enchants) in the next patch.
Ah right, thanks. Fixed.

Last edited by red : 12/09/08 at 8:28 PM. Reason: changed gem to one that exists.

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Old 12/09/08, 7:15 PM   #8
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Unfortunently, [Purified Twilight Opal] can not be cut in game. Hopefully they add in a lot of gem recipies (as well as some extra enchants) in the next patch.

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Old 12/09/08, 8:51 PM   #9
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I'm unfamiliar with PAWN, but perhaps this information can be helpful.

For cat dps, according to RAWR, with all current best in slot items, you'll get a stat breakdown something like this:

Loot Rank for WOLTK

I think I had to change gear around slightly to be under the expertise cap inorder to see a value.

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Old 12/09/08, 11:34 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by red View Post
It also seems to way overvalue haste and crit ratings, based on items and gems it recommends.
Agreed. I don't even bother pulling up Rawr to analyze gear options for my resto set. It is so heavily skewed towards crit and haste and devalues spirit and mp5 to the point that I find to be a ridiculous waste of time to analyze relative gear values with that model.

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Old 12/09/08, 11:46 PM   #11
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There is no Pawn string that works for everyone. Stats have different values depending on what you are currently wearing and what buffs you have, and so the "right" Pawn string can change wildly from person to person. It would be better to fix the Rawr module or create a good spreadsheet than to try to come up with the one true Pawn string (since it doesn't exist).

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Old 12/09/08, 11:55 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Iceman69 View Post
Agreed. I don't even bother pulling up Rawr to analyze gear options for my resto set. It is so heavily skewed towards crit and haste and devalues spirit and mp5 to the point that I find to be a ridiculous waste of time to analyze relative gear values with that model.

Yes, the tree module seems to have an issue there - I noticed that changing the duration of the fight seemed to have no impact on the value of mana regen, so I think there is something broken with the fight duration option. I've posted on the Codeplex site but haven't had a response from Astrylian yet.

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Old 12/10/08, 1:34 AM   #13
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These are the stats that I came up with for Resto:
Intellect 29.2
Spirit 60.6
SpellPower 22.6
MP5 136.2
Crit 0.4

These values are calculate from a model (rawr+excel) around keeping up 3 HoTs (RJ, RG, 3xLB) until OOM and then regenerating your mana. Rise and repeat. This basically gave me a total HPS that I could produce over an infinite time. I produced the model for +10 int, spirt, sp, mp5, and crit. The above stats are the HPS(x10 scale) difference from base.

Before you go poking holes in my model... this was built very roughly for my way of healing and has given me excellent results on LootRank pre-raiding. Of course you'll need to decide for yourself if this fits your methods or not.

Unfortunately, I forgot to include haste in my stats.


PS: First time posting.

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Old 12/10/08, 2:19 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by giansm View Post
There is no Pawn string that works for everyone. Stats have different values depending on what you are currently wearing and what buffs you have, and so the "right" Pawn string can change wildly from person to person. It would be better to fix the Rawr module or create a good spreadsheet than to try to come up with the one true Pawn string (since it doesn't exist).
This is a given with any stat weights. However, I think that people just starting off on the path of making informed gear decisions could definitely benefit from a point to start from. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate for all druids all the time, just useful for some players at a certain gear level to get in the ballpark. In the paladin pawn thread it makes sure to indicate that the values are approximations, and stat values change as your stats change. Perhaps this thread could use a similar disclaimer.

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Old 12/10/08, 8:41 AM   #15
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Thanks for all the latest feedback. I will be updating the OP today to reflect some of your values.

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