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12/10/08, 11:05 AM
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Bloodhoof
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Druid Gem Compilation
Last edited by Eilt : 04/20/09 at 1:49 PM.
Reason: Added Luminous/Ember skyflare to resto, etched to feral, accurate to feral. UPDATE: Changed feral DPS strength gems to Agility UPDATE2: Added ArP gem to feral DPS
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12/10/08, 11:16 AM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Eilt
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Blue: Purified
Red: Runed
Yellow: Luminous
There's never any reason to gem for anything but Spellpower or Regen for Resto. Spirit now gives us some more SP, so Purified and Runed are the clear options for Blue/Red. If you have a Yellow socket, Luminous (Spellpower/Int) will give us more than Haste or Crit, due to the poor scaling we have with both of those stats.
For Meta, Ember is another option (+25 SP/+2% Int), though admittedly not as popular as Bracing or Insightful.
Edit: Wow, we all jumped on that fast. Delete this post if anyone feels its unnecessary.
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12/10/08, 11:31 AM
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#5
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of the HMS Failboat
Tauren Druid
Al'Akir (EU)
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As previously mentioned, using [Perfect Purified Shadow Crystal] is better than spellpower/stam for both resto and balance specs in blue slots.
For balance, it should only really be Runed (Red), Veiled (Red/Yellow), Rigid (Yellow) and Purified (Blue) as options I believe. Spellpower is better than haste generally, and you get more points per gem anyway (9 spell power instead of 8 haste on split gems, 19 spell power instead of 16 haste on pure).
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12/10/08, 11:35 AM
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#6
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Moonrunner
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You may want to add Sovereign Twilight Opal to your list for feral dps, str/stam.
However, the last I checked, Sovereign and Shifting Twilight Opal had not yet been implemented in game.
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12/10/08, 11:38 AM
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#7
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Hellscream (EU)
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You might want to add [Etched Monarch Topaz] to the feral druid gems.
Since the feral hitcap isn't that high it might happen that you are a bit over the hitcap but can't afford to lose a 16 Hit gem but you can afford to lose just 8 Hit rating, so you would gain 8 Strength by using this gem.
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12/10/08, 12:25 PM
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#8
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
The Forgotten Coast
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Originally Posted by dukes
For balance, it should only really be Runed (Red), Veiled (Red/Yellow), Rigid (Yellow) and Purified (Blue) as options I believe. Spellpower is better than haste generally, and you get more points per gem anyway (9 spell power instead of 8 haste on split gems, 19 spell power instead of 16 haste on pure).
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haste can still be considered on gems needing a yellow component (reckless only, never quick) once hit is capped. It is the best yellow gem stat for balance that doesn't cap.
The rounding errors on gems are worth considering as well. In TBC with blue gems, it was often better to use 2 reckless or veiled gems, than one runed and one great/quick, because you'd get an extra spellpower (10 vs. 9). With wrath blue gems, it's the opposite. Better to socket one runed and one rigid/quick (assuming you have a red slot and a yellow slot to fill where you care about the bonus) and get an extra spellpower over two orange gems.
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12/10/08, 12:39 PM
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#9
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King Hippo
Night Elf Druid
The Maelstrom (EU)
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Originally Posted by Grandleaf
However, the last I checked, Sovereign and Shifting Twilight Opal had not yet been implemented in game.
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Correct - Wowhead (obviously) does list them, so they must've been around on Beta. I am hopeful they'll arrive shortly (from dailies or what-not).
It might be worthwhile pointing out that a Perfect [...] Shadow Crystal will be missing only one stat point each (two in total) when compared to the rare gems, which makes them a reasonable replacement for the time being.
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An thenn tehy wuz al ded. Srsly. ( Exodus 1)
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12/10/08, 1:09 PM
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of the HMS Failboat
Tauren Druid
Al'Akir (EU)
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Originally Posted by mesullivan
haste can still be considered on gems needing a yellow component (reckless only, never quick) once hit is capped. It is the best yellow gem stat for balance that doesn't cap.
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True, but there are very few yellow sockets in Balance gear (if any), and generally those that you do have will be filled with hit in order to just clip the cap (rather than getting more than needed). Point taken that haste is the more worthwhile option (over crit) if you happen to be hit capped and the socket bonus is worth getting.
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12/10/08, 1:27 PM
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#12
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Don Flamenco
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12/10/08, 1:56 PM
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#13
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Von Kaiser
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Thanks for this, I've been looking for a clearly laid out list. Worth noting:
Originally Posted by Eilt
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Insightful Eearthsiege (Meta) is a 5% chance for 600 mana. Someone with a pool of around 20k only gains 400, and only once, from Ember Skyflare, but the spellpower keeps it slightly appealing. Not sure where we'd need reduced threat, though - I'd tend to consider Insightful Earthsiege a DPS gem.
Resto yellow socket: Dazzling Forest Emerald Worth considering until Seer's Forest Emerald gets put in the game,
or Perfect Seer's Dark Jade if you demand actual Spirit instead of MP5.
Any idea if we're expecting the missing patterns in Ulduar? Or just a patch in general?
Last edited by Foxery : 12/10/08 at 3:24 PM.
Reason: fixed broken link
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12/10/08, 2:04 PM
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#14
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Furry Tank
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Originally Posted by Foxery
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Seer's Forest Emerald is in the game >_> You buy it from the JC vendor!
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12/11/08, 12:30 PM
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Laughing Skull
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For the Feral(tank) yellow slot you should list the Enduring Forest Emerald as it is the best gem to put in a yellow slot if you're looking for mitigation.
[Enduring Forest Emerald]
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12/11/08, 2:11 PM
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#18
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Bloodhoof
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Originally Posted by bean81782
For the Feral(tank) yellow slot you should list the Enduring Forest Emerald as it is the best gem to put in a yellow slot if you're looking for mitigation.
[Enduring Forest Emerald]
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I fail to see how stacking defense when Feral druids are already crit immune is helpful. If it was, feral tanks would have been doing this in BC as well which was not the case. Yes it has stam on it, but the def is totally wasted.
@Vrakk:
When Spirit changed the ToL modifier to benefit everyone spirit stacking was fun, but now you get 15% of it to your healing and the rest will be there for regen purposes. If you are having such mana issues that you need the spirit there is probably other issues somewhere. I do believe the current sentiment for trees, is to maximize your spellpower to make your HoTs as strong as possible with just enough regen to last you a full encounter without having to stop casting.
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12/11/08, 2:29 PM
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What does Von Kaiser mean?
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Defense gives dodge, it is not totally wasted. In TBC, you could just stack tons of agility to get your dodge but now thanks to diminishing returns it is not crazy to add some defense. You certainly won't stack it, but for a not-that-great color like yellow, when the socket bonus is good, green Enduring gems are reasonable for a bear.
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12/11/08, 2:39 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Eilt
I fail to see how stacking defense when Feral druids are already crit immune is helpful. If it was, feral tanks would have been doing this in BC as well which was not the case. Yes it has stam on it, but the def is totally wasted.
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Defense still provides dodge and miss even though you are already crit immune. The reason to use this gem would be that defense provides at least a little mitigation whereas hit rating and other stats available on yellow gems provide none.
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12/11/08, 2:43 PM
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#21
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Bloodhoof
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I see what you mean, but there would seem to always be a need for a little extra hit or expertise from a yellow slot, instead of stacking dodge through DEF, but if the ferals think it is applicable I can add it to the list no problems.
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12/11/08, 2:50 PM
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Skullcrusher
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I recommend adding it. The choice between the two is a matter of threat against avoidance, and therefore will be influenced by preference and gear. Both are valid.
[edit] And Defense isn't just dodge, it's chance to be missed as well. Doesn't change the argument at all, but.
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12/15/08, 2:48 PM
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Trollbane (EU)
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Well it seems that in this new WoW, there really is no need for a healer or a boomer to stack any stam gems. But I do think that if a boomer really really lacks hit [Vivid Forest Emerald] is a good idea until you can properly replace it!
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12/16/08, 2:14 PM
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#25
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Druid
Vek'nilash (EU)
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Nice job on the list.
Might I suggest that you somehow mark the gems that aren't yet available?
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