Druid Gem Compilation - Page 4

Devinestorm · 01/28/09, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by mesullivan

I thought purified twilight Opal was not yet in game, and this is why royal was usable. Did we get purified in 3.0.8 and I just haven't seen it on the ah yet?

It's in the game and goes for 120g on bronzedragon Flight.

Protto · 02/01/09, 5:44 AM

Red
Made from the gem Scarlet Ruby:
Runed Scarlet Ruby - 19 spellpower

Orange
Made from the gem Monarch Topaz:
Luminous Monarch Topaz - 9 spellpower and 8 intellect
Reckless Monarch Topaz - 9 spellpower and 8 haste rating
Potent Monarch Topaz - 9 spellpower and 8 critical strike rating

Yellow
Made from the gem Autumn’s Glow:
Brilliant Autumn’s Glow - 16 intellect

Green
Made from the gem Forest Emerald. There are no green gems with spellpower. But that does not mean you cannot fit any:
Dazzling Forest Emerald - 8 intellect and 6 mana per 5 seconds
Intricate Forest Emerald - 8 haste rating and 8 spirit
Seer’s Forest Emerald - 8 spirit and 8 intellect
Timeless Forest Emerald - 12 stamina and 8 intellect

Blue
Made from the gem Sky Sapphire:
Sparkling Sky Sapphire - 16 spirit,
Solid Sky Sapphire - 24 stamina
Lustrous Sky Sapphire - 6 mana per 5 seconds

Purple
Made from the gem Twilight Opal
Royal Twilight Opal - 9 spellpower and 3 mana per 5 seconds
Purified Twilight Opal - 9 spellpower and 8 spirit
Glowing Twilight Opal - 9 spellpower and 12 stamina.

What choice should you make? I think that you should put Runed Scarlet Ruby in your red sockets. Purified Twilight Opal in your blue sockets for the spellpower and always needing spirit, but it is not available yet. Instead you could get Perfect Purified Shadow Crystal or Royal Twilight Opal . Luminous Monarch Topaz lacking intellect in your yellow sockets.

calderstrake · 02/01/09, 8:16 PM

Originally Posted by Protto

Red
Made from the gem Scarlet Ruby:
Runed Scarlet Ruby - 19 spellpower

Orange
Made from the gem Monarch Topaz:
Luminous Monarch Topaz - 9 spellpower and 8 intellect
Reckless Monarch Topaz - 9 spellpower and 8 haste rating
Potent Monarch Topaz - 9 spellpower and 8 critical strike rating

Yellow
Made from the gem Autumn’s Glow:
Brilliant Autumn’s Glow - 16 intellect

Green
Made from the gem Forest Emerald. There are no green gems with spellpower. But that does not mean you cannot fit any:
Dazzling Forest Emerald - 8 intellect and 6 mana per 5 seconds
Intricate Forest Emerald - 8 haste rating and 8 spirit
Seer’s Forest Emerald - 8 spirit and 8 intellect
Timeless Forest Emerald - 12 stamina and 8 intellect

Blue
Made from the gem Sky Sapphire:
Sparkling Sky Sapphire - 16 spirit,
Solid Sky Sapphire - 24 stamina
Lustrous Sky Sapphire - 6 mana per 5 seconds

Purple
Made from the gem Twilight Opal
Royal Twilight Opal - 9 spellpower and 3 mana per 5 seconds
Purified Twilight Opal - 9 spellpower and 8 spirit
Glowing Twilight Opal - 9 spellpower and 12 stamina.

What choice should you make? I think that you should put Runed Scarlet Ruby in your red sockets. Purified Twilight Opal in your blue sockets for the spellpower and always needing spirit, but it is not available yet. Instead you could get Perfect Purified Shadow Crystal or Royal Twilight Opal . Luminous Monarch Topaz lacking intellect in your yellow sockets.

If you consult the first post in this thread, you will see all the useful gems you already listed.

Purified Twilight Opal was added as a world drop in 3.0.8.

These are the three gems most resto Druids use:

[Runed Scarlet Ruby], [Purified Twilight Opal], [Luminous Monarch Topaz]

Honzus · 02/03/09, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Changer_executus

Another sweet gem for feral, both tanking and dps: [Accurate Monarch Topaz]

Sadly at this time both: [Shifting Twilight Opal] and [Etched Monarch Topaz] are not available in game.

I think it is also worth mentioning: [Regal Twilight Opal] for feral tanking gems as well as the shifting is unavailable. Personally i'm sticking to the [Guardian's Twilight Opal] in blue slots until shifting is available.

IMO [Perfect Shifting Shadow Crystal] for tanks having to be hybrids, is this not the best gem. As mentioned in quote, the rare versions aren't available yet. Just wondering

Carlos · 03/02/09, 12:21 PM

The most importent gem for any DPS Feral is the [Bold Scarlet Ruby] this is currently missing in the OP.

Wednesday · 03/02/09, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos

The most importent gem for any DPS Feral is the [Bold Scarlet Ruby] this is currently missing in the OP.

They were changed to agility to reflect the 3.1 mechanics.

loccus · 03/02/09, 12:41 PM

Are you sure? Considering what I just got from the post "Feral Druid Numbers" in 3.1 it will look like this:

Originally Posted by RareBeast

Thanks Abraxxes. I'll add this to the original post once we get closer to patch day. Who knows what they might change in the meantime....

I would imagine that the bonuses would multiply (which appears to be what your figures above include anyway).

Just a few corrections to your figures (pretty sure they are correct).

Strength
Cat - 2.37864 AP (2.616504 AP)
Bear - 2.1624 AP (2.37864 AP)
Bear with PotP - 2.292144 (2.5213584 AP)

Agility
1.18932 AP (Cat Only) (1.308252 AP)
.0129744% crit (.01427184% crit)
.025948% dodge (.0285428% dodge)
2.1624 armor (2.37864 armor)

So, If this information is correct, I believe STR will still better than AGI, don't you think?

Wednesday · 03/02/09, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by loccus

So, If this information is correct, I believe STR will still better than AGI, don't you think?

No.

The new toskk's is showing delicates beating out bolds by about 9% in Naxx gear levels. Obviously the calculations are still preliminary, but it looks like the savage roar change will indeed favor agi over str.

Eilt · 03/02/09, 2:27 PM

I try and keep this thread up to date, from what I have seen/read Agi is going to be the DPS stat (since savage roar is not based off your AP anymore mainly {edit: apparantly this is more related to the primal gore talent [see below, sorry for the confusion]}). If someone comes out with numbers that prove this to be false and the community supports it I will edit the OP back to Strength, but for now it stays agi.

Centarion · 03/02/09, 4:16 PM

Just a note, the higher value of agi is not so much about the change to savage roar, but more due to primal gore, which lets agi skyrocket according to Cat DPS Calculator .

loccus · 03/04/09, 6:59 AM

I sse you are using toskk's in order to verify it.

But I wonder if anyone have some numbers considering AGI vs STR gemming(as we get diminishing returns from it)? It's not that I don't believe in you or anything, It's just that I do not understand how can AGI be better than STR considering the AP we get from STR(that would also increase our bleed dmg).

Allev · 03/04/09, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by loccus

I sse you are using toskk's in order to verify it.

But I wonder if anyone have some numbers considering AGI vs STR gemming(as we get diminishing returns from it)? It's not that I don't believe in you or anything, It's just that I do not understand how can AGI be better than STR considering the AP we get from STR(that would also increase our bleed dmg).

Live: DoTs can't crit. Crit is wasted itemization on bleeds.
PTR: DoTs DO crit with the Primal Gore talent. Crit is no longer wasted itemization on bleeds. Agility's crit is balanced in such a way that it's now better than Str.

Also, we get diminishing returns on DODGE from Agi, but not crit.

Eagrassmoo · 03/07/09, 8:17 PM

As a feral druid tank for [Titan-Forged Boots of Triumph] what gem should i use? Now i know that it is not the best for tanking but its better than nothing. Currently i am using the 7 defense and 11 stam gem.

Xantcha · 03/07/09, 8:38 PM

Originally Posted by Eagrassmoo

As a feral druid tank for [Titan-Forged Boots of Triumph] what gem should i use? Now i know that it is not the best for tanking but its better than nothing. Currently i am using the 7 defense and 11 stam gem.

Since the socket bonus is useless feel free to gem with either 24stam (solid), 16agi (delicate), or 12stam/8agi (shifting) depending if you need the HP or Avoidance more.

Eagrassmoo · 03/07/09, 8:40 PM

Alright, thanks yeah currently with the way my gear is now i get 31187 health in bear with MotW and sitting at 34.59% dodge. So should i just go for stam?

Nadir_Eonar · 03/08/09, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Xantcha

Since the socket bonus is useless feel free to gem with either 24stam (solid), 16agi (delicate), or 12stam/8agi (shifting) depending if you need the HP or Avoidance more.

Shifting twilight open still isn't in the game, as far as I'm aware. (/cry).

So yeah, agi or stamina and forget the socket bonus. With your stats, Eagrassmoo, I would probably go for stamina, but others would say agility, neither answer is wrong really, just a question of whether you favour avoidance tanking or high effective health for spike survival.

Makapuu · 03/10/09, 6:07 AM

[Perfect Shifting Shadow Crystal] why isn't this gem in the list?

It is only 1 agi/stam less than the blue that hasn't come out and is dirt cheap. Well at least on my server; they tend to go for 2-3 gold.

Eilt · 03/10/09, 9:20 AM

Note: As of now you may be forced to find "green" quality of the gems listed below until the rest of these gems are unlocked/put in game. Try and find the "perfect" cuts of these gems if the "blue" quality is not available.

This is why.

jminhas · 03/19/09, 10:16 PM

I personally prefer the +16 agi gems over any other gem, I find agility to be
the #1 stat for us, armor, dodge, crit, which not only affects our tps but will
also be a defensive stat for the dmg shield crap in the upcoming patch. Stam is
gaaaaaaaaaaarbage.

Brikkhouse · 03/25/09, 4:05 PM

From what I've been told restoration druids basically want spirit, and get any spirit in where they can.
Would This be a true statement?

PhoenixAP · 03/25/09, 6:37 PM

Originally Posted by Brikkhouse

From what I've been told restoration druids basically want spirit, and get any spirit in where they can.
Would This be a true statement?

This is not true. If you had read the thread you will see that on average most restoration druids use the gems mentioned in post 78.

While this thread is not really about discussing what stat you need to collect on your equipment, the primary stat you are looking for is Spellpower. You also want spirit, intelligence, haste, and spell crit.

Spirit is important because it drives your mana regeneration, gives you extra spellpower in based on your spec, and provides extra mana regeneration from innervate. However, you should not focus exclusively on this statistic. Also, you should be aware that in patch 3.1 the spirit/mana regeneration is changing.

You should really read through this post in order to answer your questions about itemization for restoration druids:
Restoration Itemization

Rhodsie · 04/13/09, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Playered

Resto should be:
(assuming socket bonus is worth gemming for, else go for Runed)
Blue: [Purified Twilight Opal]
Red: [Runed Scarlet Ruby]
Yellow: [Luminous Monarch Topaz]

Meta [Ember Skyflare Diamond]
(unless you really, really need the mana from Insightful)

No doubt if they ever make Crit or Haste scale better the gems might be worth considering but until that point... :P

So a [Luminous Monarch Topaz] is better than a [Dazzling Forest Emerald] for yellow slots? If so don't look at my gems until I fix them.

Think I just answered my own question.

Originally Posted by Norfair

* 1 intellect increases mana pool with 15 mana (16.5 with Kings). On a typical 8 minute fight this can be converted to 0.172 mp5
* Assuming 1000 intellect and 1000 spirit, 1 intellect increases your main mana regeneration with 0.485 mp5 out of the five second rule or 0.145 mp5 in the five second rule (assuming Intensity and Kings).
* Since Replenish works off the size of your mana pool, 16.5 (Kings) extra mana means 0.206 mp5 more through Replenishment.
* 1 intellect also increases the chance you critically hit with spells by 0.006%.

This sums up to 0.523 mp5 and a little bit of crit chance. However, this number can change a lot based on your intellect, spirit, Replenishment uptime, duration of the encounter and time spent in the five second rule.

So 8 int from the luminous X .523=4.184

Darkx · 04/20/09, 1:20 AM

I might have mised this in the forums, but im looking for more info on how to gem for pvp. Im full resto with the new 3.1 patch and sitting at 830 res right now. Wonder if i should keep gemin for spell power or what else i should be using.

Orin · 04/20/09, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by trismegistus

These are the three gems most resto Druids use:

[Runed Scarlet Ruby], [Purified Twilight Opal], [Luminous Monarch Topaz]

This is my go-to gem choice. Though the new Rawr suggests going with more regen gems instead of the SP gems. I haven't made any changes though, and have so far had zero problems with mana in Ulduar-25 as a raid healer. And that's including a lot of sketchy kills with a few too many deaths. We cleared up through Thorim so far.

I also use [Ember Skyflare Diamond] as my meta.

Ralphie87 · 05/05/09, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by Eagrassmoo

As a feral druid tank for [Titan-Forged Boots of Triumph] what gem should i use? Now i know that it is not the best for tanking but its better than nothing. Currently i am using the 7 defense and 11 stam gem.

Never Gem or enchant for defense you are defense capped with 3/3 SotF, while defense does give some useful stats you can get more use out of other stats like agility.