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12/10/08, 11:31 AM
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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Feral enchants
With a lot of new enchants people might not know what kinds of enchants there are and what is best. Most this information I got of rawr, but I doubt rawr a bit because some real necessities like Hit rating for cat does not score that high, nor does expertise for bear. Armor however scores pretty high where in my opinion that is something a bear druid should not get extra of by enchants, though for this moment I will trust rawr.
I would like your input on what you think is best. I will change the list where and if needed. All enchants are from a PVE point of view.
I know enchants are depending on your current gear. In bear, if you have 40k health a lot of other enchants would be much preferable vs a stamina enchant. I made this list from the standpoint that all stats are needed equally. I have stated the next best alternative(s) if valid between ( ) behind the "best" enchant. The alternative will however never be a lesser version of the best one. A 15 agility enchant is not the alternative to 20 agility enchant. An alternative, if any, must contain a different stat.
This list also does not include the enchants that are best for dual roles. Say you only have one ilevel 200+ gloves you use for tanking and no alternative to specifically use for dps. The agility enchant might be preferred here because it is good for tanking and dps. This post does not hold that kind of information.
Where possible I added item links to WowHead.com to make it possible to see the enchant. This results in some enchants being linked as enchanted on a scroll, which might be difficult to read against the light background. My apologies for that.
Any comments?
[List adjusted: 3.1.3 ->17-06-2009]
Rawr used: 2.2.6 (With my current gear of course)
For tanking expertise is a real nice stat. It reduces the chance the boss will parry you and by doing so increase his damage.
Originally Posted by Windchilla
This is called Parry-Haste and the vast majority of bosses have it, that is what makes Expertise both a offensive and defensive tanking stat.
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A lot of gear has expertise but you will need about 14% (?)* to get the "cap" (some bosses have higher parry chances).
Note:
* The exact parry cap is debated, but it is believed to be somewhere around 14%. This isn;t really THAT important though. Expertise cap is in my opinion not something to go for. Keep in mind though that the expertise soft cap of 6.5% is close to a must on expertise.
The interesting enchants to look at are:
| Expertise enchants | | [Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Expertise] | | [Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Expertise] | | Note: | | Expertise enchanting is very costly. Rather choose expertise gems over enchants. Example: 1 gem can have 16 strength, 16 agility, 16 expertise rating or 32 AP. Per class it differs what is most useful. However, point wise they represent the same. Meaning 1 agility equals 1 expertise equals 2 AP in value. | | Now you can either enchant 15 expertise on a glove or put 20 agility in there or 44 AP. (For druids 20 agi > 44 AP at the moments) | | For bracers you can ether enchant 15 expertise or you can put 50 AP on it. | | The reason for this is that the expertise enchants are pretty low level enchants versus the other higher level enchants. This means that if you need 15 expertise, you rather replace a 16 agility gem with a 16 expertise gem, then replace your 20 agility glove enchant with a 15 expertise enchant. |
It is also important to have hit rating as cat. There is not much hit on items (I myself find I want 4 times the hit rating I have). So if you are looking towards hit rating you could choose some of those enchants:
[Currently outdated, I am bursting with hit and I want expertise, though still goes for people with not as much hit on their gear).
Depending on trade skills it is possible to get different/most likely better enchants.
Note: There is "some" sort of belt enchant (not an enchant really, but still a valid item improvement). [Eternal Belt Buckle] which a BS can make. It allows anyone to socket any (non meta) gem in their belt. No strings attacked. A BS can also socket their own gloves Socket Gloves - Spell - World of Warcraft) and bracer ( Socket Bracer - Spell - World of Warcraft).
Last edited by Monedula : 06/17/09 at 10:34 AM.
Reason: Some updates
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12/10/08, 12:46 PM
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#2
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King Hippo
Night Elf Druid
The Maelstrom (EU)
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Wouldn't Berserker be better than Massacre for Cat?
Fortitude of the Scourge can no longer be obtained. Even if some people might've banked a couple of them... do you think it's really worthwhile to mention it here?
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An thenn tehy wuz al ded. Srsly. ( Exodus 1)
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12/10/08, 12:51 PM
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#3
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Executus (EU)
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Personally i would never tank in TBC without [Formula: Enchant Boots - Boar's Speed] on my boots, and im using it on my current boots in wotlk.
As soon as i get my [Footwraps of Vile Deceit] i will be sticking [Formula: Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality] on them. I think for the small Stamina loss the added speed increase is more than worth the loss.
Other than that the list seems pretty solid, however [Fortitude of the Scourge] is no longer availiable, so we are stuck choosing between a warrior/pally or dps shoulder enchant for tanking. In my opinion until you have exalted with Son's of Hodir the dps enchant is a better option, but its just personal preference really.
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12/10/08, 1:57 PM
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#5
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Changer_executus
Other than that the list seems pretty solid, however [Fortitude of the Scourge] is no longer availiable, so we are stuck choosing between a warrior/pally or dps shoulder enchant for tanking. In my opinion until you have exalted with Son's of Hodir the dps enchant is a better option, but its just personal preference really.
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[Heavy Borean Armor Kit] seems like a better option then the honored one also.
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12/10/08, 7:28 PM
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#6
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King Hippo
Night Elf Druid
Blackhand
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Originally Posted by Changer_executus
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Does the boot speed enhance stack with unholy aura? We inevitably have an unholy DK in our raids (at least 25 man) so I don't really see the need for the boot speed enhance if they don't stack.
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12/10/08, 7:38 PM
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#7
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King Hippo
Night Elf Druid
The Maelstrom (EU)
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Far as I know, it shouldn't.
The aura explicitely states other movement increasing effects don't stack with it. There's no movement increasing effects in general that do stack (other than PvP gear + Feral Swiftness).
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An thenn tehy wuz al ded. Srsly. ( Exodus 1)
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12/10/08, 7:39 PM
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#8
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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I did not put Berserker up there because it is a very risky enchant. The AP gained is overall better then the steady 110, but it does remove 25% of your armor. In case of a not perfectly executed boss encounter you might get a hit and die. Also you might wanna switch form and tank a bit when the fight calls for it. If you forget to equip your tanking weapon or are not fast enough you die. You can use it but be sure when to use it. If you got 2 identical dps weapons... g4et one with this enchant sure!
True about [Fortitude of the Scourge]. Removed it.
Added the speed boots enchant. Speed is indeed very good in some cases.
Accuracy is not a bad enchant. But I would really not call it a tanking enchant. Crit is wasted and you don't really need the hit as tank that hard. You usually do more threat then any dps class does.
You could use it as dps, however it is really up to what you need. Though I thing you do more dps enchanting 110 AP then get a bit of crit and hit.
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12/11/08, 12:13 AM
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#9
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Von Kaiser
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Good list. Was looking for something like this to bookmark since the Cat Megathread is showing its age with inaccurate enchant choices
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12/11/08, 12:15 AM
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#10
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Skullcrusher
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Originally Posted by Monedula
I did not put Berserker up there because it is a very risky enchant... In case of a not perfectly executed boss encounter you might get a hit and die. Also you might wanna switch form and tank a bit when the fight calls for it.
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Of course you need to be aware of the drawback. It's still likely the best DPS enchant in game. That's exactly enough reason to list it. The burden of responsibility falls on the user, not the list-maker.
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12/11/08, 9:43 AM
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#11
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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Ok i"ll put it up because you insist.  I'll add an asterisk to warn people about the drawback.
Last edited by Monedula : 12/11/08 at 9:49 AM.
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12/11/08, 1:43 PM
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#12
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Druid
Chamber of Aspects (EU)
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12/12/08, 12:08 AM
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#13
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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Changed thanks 
And indeed, i had my doubts about expertise, but to avoid parry it is a very good stat!
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12/12/08, 4:35 AM
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Soda Popinski
Night Elf Druid
Frostmourne
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Considering how scarce hit is on gear, Accuracy -should- be considered for DPS. Not saying it's the one-size-fits-all answer, but it definitely is the preferred option for people OCD about hit tables.
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#elitistjerks
<^clicker> nice job trying to troll but you're a fucking idiot because i wasn't responding to you
<^clicker> this is the channel for serious discussion of important world of warcraft issues i believe youre looking for /b/ get lost scrub
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<^clicker> do you act like this all the time
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12/12/08, 6:19 AM
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Executus (EU)
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Then also +20 hit on gloves should be added to the DPS gear list. It may not provide the highest crit or AP for the enchant slot, but you can be sure that hit rating will increase your dps until your capped.
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12/12/08, 10:58 AM
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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I made two separate sections talking about expertise (on bears) and hit (on cats).
This is because they indeed can be important, but are not in every case preferred.
I do not have much time now and did not checl all hit and expertise enchants. For the ones that I might have missed, I would appreciate if you could mention them. I'll add em.
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12/13/08, 12:13 AM
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Not amused....at all
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12/13/08, 5:42 AM
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Soda Popinski
Night Elf Druid
Frostmourne
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That is completely absurd.
I'd honestly put Accuracy on my tanking staff at this point for threat - more stam is nothing but overkill.
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, this doesn't really aggravate the HP gap if it's actually a 1h enchant. Still gonna be using Accuracy though.
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#elitistjerks
<^clicker> nice job trying to troll but you're a fucking idiot because i wasn't responding to you
<^clicker> this is the channel for serious discussion of important world of warcraft issues i believe youre looking for /b/ get lost scrub
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<^clicker> do you act like this all the time
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12/13/08, 9:16 AM
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Die Todeskrallen (EU)
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Wouldn't the new stamina enchant to bracers make Fur Lining - Stamina - Spell - World of Warcraft comparatively, well, underbudget? The other fur linings are all some 67 stat points above the normal enchants, but would no longer be true for stamina.
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12/13/08, 9:37 AM
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Meow
Abradix
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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No, it would bring LW in line with all other professions. Most professions give around 50 stamina increase, leatherworking was absurd with 78.
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12/13/08, 10:34 AM
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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Originally Posted by Abradix
No, it would bring LW in line with all other professions. Most professions give around 50 stamina increase, leatherworking was absurd with 78.
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Which leads me to conclude there will be a better AP enchant and a better Spellpower enchant. At least I don't think there is something in game yet that can compare to 40 stamina?
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12/13/08, 11:37 AM
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#22
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King Hippo
Tauren Druid
Twisting Nether (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kurisu
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Is that available a 1h enchant? If so it looks overpowered on DW classes, especially in PvP...
It still means we're waiting for a proper Druid tanking enchant such as agility/dodge/armor
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12/13/08, 9:28 PM
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
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Originally Posted by Daboran
Is that available a 1h enchant? If so it looks overpowered on DW classes, especially in PvP...
It still means we're waiting for a proper Druid tanking enchant such as agility/dodge/armor
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True. Though I think there will be many more new enchants (if not in this patch they will come) and there probably will be one.
Last edited by Monedula : 12/14/08 at 10:40 AM.
Reason: Spelling
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12/14/08, 8:34 AM
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Meow
Abradix
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Falk
That is completely absurd.
I'd honestly put Accuracy on my tanking staff at this point for threat - more stam is nothing but overkill.
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, this doesn't really aggravate the HP gap if it's actually a 1h enchant. Still gonna be using Accuracy though.
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You'll still be using the 75 stamina enchant though. Even with the hypothesis that you need X health to be set for anything, and want to dump everything else into avoidance stats, you haven't reached that point yet else I'd be seeing full 16 agi gems in your sockets. So a 75 stamina enchant is essentially worth 50 agility due to the fact it would allow you to replace 3 of your 24 stam gems for 16 agi and still keep the same amount of health.
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12/15/08, 6:38 AM
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#25
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Frostmane (EU)
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*point proven wrong*
Last edited by Teldarion : 12/17/08 at 4:02 AM.
Reason: Wrong info
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