Even though 2t7 says 3 seconds on live, in reality it lasts 4. Rip debuff stays on the mob 1 seconds longer instead of disappearing when it reaches 0. So this is more or less cosmetic change.

The only change really is that the uptime will now be correctly displayed on addons making you a bit better able to decide your next move.

As of Build 9464 on PTR, it now appears the Predatory Strikes weapon AP bonus applies to the STR that was converted to AP on feral staves. It does not however apply to weapon enchants.

Using [Staff of Trickery] with Greater Savagery as an example...equiping the weapon adds 2868 AP in cat form on character sheet. Doing the math...

Without bonus applied to STR converted to AP or enchant
((1843*1.2)+180+85+(89*1.06))*1.1 = 2828.034

With bonus applied to STR converted to AP, but not enchant
(((1843+180)*1.2)+85+(89*1.06))*1.1 = 2867.634

With bonus applied to STR converted to AP and enchant
(((1843+180+85)*1.2)+(89*1.06))*1.1 = 2886.334

Very nice, so that converted AP now has a built-in Kings-like *edit* 20% boost

*edit* my bad, I somehow thought PS increased weapon AP by 10%

Actually, with Predatory Strikes affecting the AP being put in place of the current strength on staves, this will come out to a net gain of attack power (even when considering BoK and SotF).

For the top end feral weapon [Journey's End], cats will gain 16 AP if you have Blessing of Kings. Without Blessing of Kings, we will gain 57 AP. A very small difference, but I thought it should be noted.

Old: STR * 2(cat form ap) * 1.06(sotf) * 1.1(kings) * 1.1(hotw) = STR * 2.5652 = AP

New: STR * 2(all str is being converted to ap on items) * 1.2 * 1.1 = 2.64 * STR = AP

It turns out to be a 2.9% increase in AP with kings and more without.

I was just on the PTR and can also confirm that Predatory Strikes does affect the AP that was converted from strength now. Using just Journey's End and talents up to Predatory Strikes shows 3794 AP on character sheet.

Journey's End: 222.9 dps, w/ 85 AP enchant
Agility: 164
Strength: 94

140 + 94*2 + 164 + 120 + (222.9-54.8)*14*1.2 + 228 + 85 = 3749
140 + 94*2 + 164 + 120 + ((222.9-54.8)*14 + 228)*1.2 + 85 = 3794

As of Build 9464 on PTR, I can confirm Swipe (Cat) is indeed receiving the benefits of OOC and Berserk.

Question: Is OoC more likely to proc on swipe attacks, or does it count as one single attack for that purpose?

my bad, I somehow thought PS increased weapon AP by 10%
To go back to in-brain-napkin math, 1.2 sure is more than 1.1*1.06

3.0-OoC only procs from white attacks (plus Maul) and damage/healing spells (not feral abilities)

That reminds me of a thought I had some days ago, would Bear-FF proc it? It is a damaging spell, after all... have to check that on a dummy later

Nathanyel is correct, Swipe (Cat) will not proc OOC, only white attacks, but prior to this build Swipe (Cat) was not consuming OOC, meaning you couldn't use it for the energy-free attack. Its cost also wasn't getting halved during Berserk.

No, nothing yet.

So, does anyone have an idea if the 6% attack power bonus from POTP works in cat form?

If yes, is it worth losing other talents for the 6% Att Power ?

Why would that work in cat form? The wording is quite specific.

I only ask this because on live it now states "Increases attack power by 2/4/6 % and reduces the damage you take by 4/8/12% while in Bear or Dire Bear Form."


Changed from " Increases you attack power in Bear Form and Dire Bear Form by 2/4/6 %, and for each friendly player in your party when you enter Bear Form or Dire Bear Form damage you take is reduced by 1/2/3%. "


So, it no longer states you gain the attack power only in Bear and Dire Bear Forms, although it does say the damage reduction is for Bear Form(s) only.

Clearly they may have in fact made it so it affects all forms, i was wondering if anyone knew in light of the change in text, on live, on the talent itself.

There should be a comma after the "reduces the damage you take by X%", to make it clearer. Unless there was some incredible change in design, though, everything in the talent applies only to bears.

Idol of Worship was fixed

I agree that its most likely only Bear Form, but given the wording and the fact that I was planning on respeccing tonight anyway, I'll test it out and post back.

Tried to search the thread for any update on this. Is this still the case now when the patch goes live?

Yes; there was nothing in the patch that changed the threat for swipe. It's been active since it was hotfixed on the 16th of December.

Anyone got numbers? Seems like both Worship and Ravenous Beast would be pretty similiar for PvE DPS. Test dummy 3 minute rotation showed 60 rip ticks, 44 shreds. Shred idol is more damage-per-shred then rip idol is damage-per-tick. Seems like it would even itself out.

Bad tooltip wording. The attack power bonus only applies to Bear Form and Dire Bear Form. Tested and confirmed on live server.