Feral Trinkets - Page 2

effekt125 · 12/23/08, 1:52 PM

Actually, from a pvp perspective, assuming you have the talent for 70% agility converted to heals, this would make the agility greatness card AMAZING. This is under the assumption that you're doing arena of course, particularly 2s. This also means more dodge in bear when being focused by melee. I see the agility version being a godsend, and I will personally be taking that one when the faire comes around in the next few weeks

I will say that I also the primary druid tank in my guild so this further supports the agility version. But as you stated, I can't see the agility version being too far behind the str version in the future, if not better

manapaws · 12/23/08, 5:08 PM

Originally Posted by coldbear

They're messing with the decks currently,

Any idea if / what will change with them?

kalbear · 12/23/08, 5:10 PM

The [Darkmoon Card: Death] that you get from undeath cards will be converted from haste to crit rating. No word that I know on the other trinkets, but I suspect that Greatness will be nerfed a bit.

FuzzyBuddy · 12/23/08, 6:52 PM

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kalbear · 12/23/08, 6:54 PM

The strength and agility version are actually the same trinket, it just chooses the stat that you have the most of to increase; with the current itemization most of us are going to be stuck with the agility version. = )

This isn't true. There is a Greatness deck that gives +90 strength and a greatness deck that gives +90 agility. The proc is the same on all decks, but each deck gives a different static bonus to a stat.

killets · 12/29/08, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by Yaha

Curious why you didn't include [Figurine - Emerald Boar] in your DPS list. Is the boar pet too unreliable?

Not sure if it was intentional but you didn't specify which gems you socketed for the Ruby Hare.

On the basis of DPS, 84 ap + 32str, it doesn't even break top 10 for trinkets easily obtainable, according to Rawr. The boar on-use effect isn't easily quantifiable for comparison purposes, but from anecdotal evidence, most people despise the boar to some large degree.

As for the Ruby Hare, I forgot exactly what I used for ranking purposes, but the tanking list isn't really a good list for ranking purposes anyways. If you need avoidance, you obviously socket agi. If you need it for survival purposes, throwing in 2 stam gems makes the most sense.

Unfortunately, as of now, there is no shifting twilight opal, so those are your 2 best options in my mind. You could opt with the regal twilight opal (i think it's the regal.. the 8dodge/12stam), but either way, it wouldn't make a huge impact on the value of the trinket.

Cards · 12/30/08, 8:22 PM

Is there a case to be made for [Repelling Charge]? Rawr says it provides more passive mitigation * avoidance than [Defender's Code] postpatch, and it ranks [Valor Medal of the First War] only a little higher. I don't know if Rawr is overvaluing defense due to not knowing the DR on miss, but I don't have much miss atm so I don't think it'd be significant. I think once we hit T8/T9 level content druids will be balancing defense and dodge for DR reasons, as Rawr is already weighting defense fairly heavily (TankPoints ranks it about 75-80% as good as dodge rating point for point for me right now fully raid buffed).

SkunkApe · 01/02/09, 6:57 AM

Originally Posted by killets

On the basis of DPS, 84 ap + 32str, it doesn't even break top 10 for trinkets easily obtainable, according to Rawr. The boar on-use effect isn't easily quantifiable for comparison purposes, but from anecdotal evidence, most people despise the boar to some large degree.

It should be noted that since only JC'ers can make that trinket it would not be out of the question to assume that there would be 2 Bold Dragon's Eyes in it (27 str gems). Doing this would also activate the socket bonus of +12 AP as the JC BoP gems are prismatic. 96AP + 54 str is pretty solid and thats not even factoring in the on use effect. I'd say that would bump it up on your list considerably and def. worth mentioning to any Feral Druids considering Jewelcrafting as a profession.

• Polynices · 01/02/09, 11:01 AM

You can't count the Dragon's Eyes in the JC trinket because a JCing druid (or anyone else) will already have the maximum of 3 Dragon's Eyes in their gear.

You're comparing the Emerald Boar with normal gems to other trinkets in that slot but putting on the Boar doesn't let you slot more Dragon's Eyes, so they just shouldn't count in the comparison.

SkunkApe · 01/03/09, 4:57 AM

Originally Posted by Polynices

You can't count the Dragon's Eyes in the JC trinket because a JCing druid (or anyone else) will already have the maximum of 3 Dragon's Eyes in their gear.

You're comparing the Emerald Boar with normal gems to other trinkets in that slot but putting on the Boar doesn't let you slot more Dragon's Eyes, so they just shouldn't count in the comparison.

Why would we automatically assume they have the maximum of 3 Dragon's Eye in their gear already? The only people that can even use the trinket are Jewelcrafters. Therefore, there is no point in not comparing its best case usage against the other trinkets. It's silly to exclude it from the list on the basis of "you aren't going to be putting BoP gems in that because we already assumed you were using 3."

It may not be the best, but it deserves a mention for anyone thinking about Jewelcrafting considering how ridiculous easy they are to make.

Duilliath · 01/03/09, 5:48 AM

You're mixing up two things then.
1) The benefit from the trinket
2) The benefit from the gems

They'd have gotten no.2 whether or not they'd have made the trinket, hence it shouldn't be counted towards the benefit of the trinket.

Daboran · 01/03/09, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by Cards

Is there a case to be made for [Repelling Charge]? Rawr says it provides more passive mitigation * avoidance than [Defender's Code] postpatch, and it ranks [Valor Medal of the First War] only a little higher. I don't know if Rawr is overvaluing defense due to not knowing the DR on miss, but I don't have much miss atm so I don't think it'd be significant. I think once we hit T8/T9 level content druids will be balancing defense and dodge for DR reasons, as Rawr is already weighting defense fairly heavily (TankPoints ranks it about 75-80% as good as dodge rating point for point for me right now fully raid buffed).

I think it's more of a "nice to have", there's DK/Pali and Warriors who can make far better use of it at present, but I'll definitely pick it up once those classes no longer need it and storing it away for future use.

Ugljesa · 01/03/09, 11:03 AM

I'm having a bit of a dilemma with what trinkets to use after the armor change. I have the Greatness Deck and am waiting for the Faire to get the Agility card. My mind's set on that one and I'm welcoming the addition of more dodge. The second trinket is a bit of a problem though.

I'm seeing Essence of Gossamer and Defender's Code as the best options, I could well be blind to some though so point me to some if they're better.

I have Rawr and use it all the time. However, imo, it overvalues Stamina at the moment as there's no "soft cap" or whachamacall it. Either way, I'm sitting at 31k health unbuffed and feeling like more Stamina is just becoming reduntant, while my dodge is scarily low, 35,29% unbuffed. So when I gem items I go for Agility>Stamina and with that accept the gem ratio of 2:3 for Agility:Stamina and still pick Agility.

Now, I have no problem with Rawr's armor/agility comparison and for my gloves enchant, it shows that 240 armor is better than 20 agility. Out of that, I would get the same ratio for 850 armor against 70 Agility. And if I "turn" the Essence of Gossamer into an Agility trinket for comparison, the "Agility worth" of it would be 74 (3:2 Stam:Agi).

That logic puts Essence of Gossamer and Defender's Code very close to eachother in "value" and seeing as I'm fed up with Stamina and will be dropping in mitigation, I'm thinking of going for the Code. Also, while I consider the Essence's proc pretty crap, I like the Use: effect of the Code as a bit of an "oh shit" button.

Any comments on the line of thought? Are there some nicer trinkets that I'm missing (apart from the JC/Alchemy ones as I want to stick with my professions)?

kalbear · 01/03/09, 1:41 PM

You're probably missing [Valor Medal of the First War] in your considerations. That's another nice dodge trinket, and combining it with DM:G gives a very good amount of dodge by themselves. That's not to say you should use it all the time, but it is very strong when you do need it.

Really, it depends on the fight. On something like Patchwerk you probably want to ditch DM:G and go with Essence and Defender's code. You'll want the former to eat more hatefuls and want the latter to mitigate far more damage. On something like Sartharion you'll probably want DM:G and Essence. All the trinkets are sufficiently close to each other now in value for a druid that there really isn't going to be a single best one all the time, at least currently. DM:G is probably the best overall and provides the most rounded values, but that doesn't mean you should use it all the time.

nightcrowler · 01/04/09, 9:09 AM

Sorry for a noob question but am I the only one thinking about a double stam trinket (essence of gossammer + alchemist stone) post-patch? It seems to me that ppl tends to overextimate avoidance, i've not yet done obsidian with 3 adds up but i've done a lot of other fights (for istance we use to do faerlina with e aggroing all adds + faerlina and AoE all down, and the heal trow frenzy) and what I saw is that also with only 5-6 healer they never go oom, so being a mana sponge it's not a big deal, increasing stam and decreasing avoidance will only reduce the overhealing component and will make healing more predictable.