Mijae

It does increase it's value due to the value of crit increasing, but not by an incredible amount since the proc has zero scaling. However, the relative value of all items are changing. [Fury of the Five Flights] loses a bit of it's value and drops down a few places. Both [Extract of Necromantic Power] and [Mirror of Truth] gain value and pass it up. The Mirror is slightly better now and gains more in 3.1 than the Extract does. I haven't even modeled if DoT crits will proc the Mirror (though it probably won't affect it much). I put the Extract at 6th best now and 5th best next patch (Grill Toll 3rd and Mirror 4th).

Feral DruidStats spreadsheet
v3.2.0.0.xls - updated 8/4/2009

 

killets

That trinket indeed becomes much better next patch, if we're to believe Rawr 2.2.0b3.

With full raid buffs, and near best in slot setup (but not hit or exp capped, in order to better evaluate hit/exp gear), here are the DPS numbers I'm getting from the trinkets now:

Darkmoon Card: Greatness (Agi) - 209.94
Darkmoon Card: Greatness (Str) - 205.00
Grim Toll - 179.19
Fury of the Five Flights - 143.65
Extract of Necromantic Power - 142.54
Mirror of Truth 140.24
Meteorite Whetstone - 129.84
Loatheb's Shadow - 125.95
Incisor Fragment - 109.80
Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood - 94.67
Mark of Norgannon - 91.49

Regarding [Extract of Necromantic Power], I'm seeing that affliction locks are estimating about high 50's in DPS from the proc alone... Using about 57.5 dps on the [Extract of Necromantic Power], it ends up about 142.54..

How accurate is 2.2.0b3 are valuing feral dps items right now? I'll update the list if that's about right.

 

Ragadast

Where would Bandit's Insignia - Item - World of Warcraft fit into the above list? I see it listed as just 190 AP on Rawr, and I think I saw ~35 dps on the proc? How bad will it slip in relation to other trinkets with 3.1?

 

manapaws

I'd hazard a guess that it'd be rated better pre3.1 than post. Reason for this is Savage Roar is boosting that 190 AP up to 190 x 1.4 AP.

- Tauren Druid (Realm first Naxx/Malygos)
- Gnome Mage (Realm first Sarth +3d)
- Nelf Druid (new main - progressing through Ulduar)

 

Drashian

Using a value of 0.4489 per AP (from Fury of the Five Flights above), if the proc is 35 DPS, it would come out to 0.4489 * 190 + 35 = 120.291 DPS. That'd put it in the "barely epic" range in that chart, unless the proc is significantly more damage than that.

 

killets

Umm... assuming your 35dps on the proc is valid, then 120.37.. putting it barely about Incisor Fragment.

*Edit... I understand the logic with Drashian's calculation but for whatever reason, Rawr values 190ap @ 85.37, while giving 320ap 143.65. The difference is basically negligible though.

 

Malazaar

While Bandit's Insignia might not be the best trinket for sustained DPS, it's definately worth looking at for pvp. Since the proc has a long ICD (45s) but a high proc chance (15%) it's almost guaranteed to proc during your opening burst, which is a solid 2-4k extra burst - nothing to laugh at.

 

Cuer

The updated stats on the 3.1 tanking trinkets sure look nice, and will provide interesting new options:

 

jminhas

Does anyone know the math involved in looking
at the Darkmoon Card: Greatness (+90 Agi)
for Feral tanking? I'd appreciate it, I've been thinking about
it for a while, wondering if it is best in slot, due to how
fucking awesome Agi is for us.

 

RagasLS

What is the dps value of Mighty Alchemist's Stone - Item - World of Warcraft ? Where would it be in Killerets list after 3.1?

 

Boevis

I don't know how much to trust new Rawr's hatred of Hit, but that gets placed above [Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood].

 

Nandwee

Found the answer in the 3.10 changes...... FYI greatness agi is better than greatness str post 3.10

 

Hezkezl

How did you come across that info? I just barely picked up the nobles deck today. The next DM Faire coming to town is on the 6th of next month, and now I've got to decide which of the two to get. I'm leaning towards the agi one.. just because I do sometimes get asked to tank, and I don't want to have to try to get ANOTHER card, just for the agi for tanking.

 

charriu

Not trying to sound rude, but do you read this forum you are posting in AT ALL?

Agi > Str for cats is true in 3.1 because of the introduction of Primal Gore (critting dots) and the change to Savage Roar.

 

CagedShogun

Anyone else angry after reading that agility will be the best stat again for feral druids? I'll have to resocket and enchant a majority of my gear. The worst part is I made my darkmoon trinket about 4 months ago and went with the 90 strength since I only dps and now I am better off with agility. I'm putting in a ticket...ha I wonder if they'll swap it out?

 

charriu

They probably won't. And... it's not like the str version is crap now. It's just swapped the position with the agi version...

 

Malazaar

The str darkmoon card is about a good as before (dps gain wise). While Strength lost 3 % in value due to the SR change, we now gain 3 % more stats through iMotW.

So there really is no point for you being angry, your trinket didn't get nerfed at all (it's actually a minor buff of about 0.05 %) - it's just that other trinkets got buffed.

 

manapaws

No, I'm quite happy that agility will be the best stat for us again. It almost felt like being an enhance shaman in BC - strength as best stat but 0 on gear. I'd much rather have a stat that's quite common on our gear as our best stat

- Tauren Druid (Realm first Naxx/Malygos)
- Gnome Mage (Realm first Sarth +3d)
- Nelf Druid (new main - progressing through Ulduar)

 

david0925

Not really, class mechanics change, and while there will be some winners in this, there will be some losers. Such things happen to not just stats balance but also class balancing. Will you be angry and put in a ticket if ferals went from, say, beating mage to not beating mage?

In addition, as mentioned above, your trinket isn't nerfed in terms of absolute number, and you will still see an increase in dps contribution. It's just that agility one is better now, and I can somewhat understand your frustration, but getting another card isn't a very daunting task.

Maniq is my hero

 

◊ Kurisu

At the least the proc is based on whatever stat is prominent so you still get the proc's usage if anything, yeah it's not a min/max sort of thing but at least it is useful in both situations still.

SC Alts: Toremu - shaman

The other main
Kurisa- Druid

 

bavelb

I'm sad to see my [Fury of the Five Flights] loose a part of it's strength, but I find it a bit petty to get upset over it since we got around a 1k dps buff (if that makes it too live). Would you rather want our dots not to crit?. Instead I gave up resisting and got an Agi Greatness deck instead.

 

Duilliath

Did people notice that [Darkmoon Card: Death] got upgraded? The damage done got bumped quite considerably.

Less +crit than the Extract, but more damage done.

An thenn tehy wuz al ded. Srsly. (Exodus 1)

 

rubik

Good observation and not to hijack the thread but I just noticed that the PTR version ([Darkmoon Card: Death] -- click the 'PTR Site' link in the upper left on wowhead.com... the forum here doesn't parse PTR links correctly.. or rather converts them to Live links) is also BoE... surely, that part is a bug?

EDIT: I guess all Darkmoon cards are now BoE and it must be a patch change that I completely missed in the notes? I apologize for the useless post in that case. Very sorry about that folks.

 

Daisil

Even after following the link (above); it says "UNIQUE-EQUIPPED"; but above that it does still read as "Bind on Pickup". You must be reading it wrong.


Tanking wise I have been using the agi Greatness card+ my alch stone. The two new trinkets in 3.1 look very nice though!


I just hope that they eventually give alch's a new trinket to work with of epic quality.

 

rubik

I checked it out again and it still shows as BoE (see screenshot). I have refreshed my browser several times to make sure it's not cached and I still see BoE (above the 'Unique-Equipped' line) on the PTR wowhead.com site.

I'm sure it's a bug the way wowhead has it stored or we would have heard about all these having been made BoE all of a sudden in 3.1.