Do you perhaps use HT glyph? You have points in Naturalist. Those would be the first place to drop points if not.

I think it's also useful when you want to help new tanks gear up faster. I feel more confident stepping into a heroic with an undergeared tank, with both TPS and mitigation below standard, if my own threat generation is lower. This doesn't matter for a lot of folks, but does for me, so I'm fond of the talent.

Mordrood: Ohh! Its a HT spec. That makes a lot more sense how you could not have points enoughe for subtlety.
I´m not really fond of HT in any form. Unglyphed it feels to big and clunky. For massive but steady damage I really prefer working with HoTs and for burst damage if feels way to slow unless you glyph it and if you do get the glyph and all talents it feels like you´re healadin wanabe. Just personal preference, but I really like what I call the druid betting game. Its a bit like poker, the boss bets two melee swings and a cleave, I call him with a regrowth and raise him two lifeblooms. If I play my cards (HoTs) right, people live. I know all healers haveto plan ahead but from what I have tried druids are by far my favourite precisely because they have such a lot of spells then can cast before the damage ever happens rather than react to it afterwards.

So my biggest problem now seems to be aggro management. Is there a good desctiption of how spell threat is calculated somewhere? For example I'm trying to figure out if threat is generated only when the spell is caste or as the HoT ticks down as well, also if spells with larger up-front instants or end-blooms create threat spikes, I also beleive I read that the a tribloom end burst creates threat, but to the healer or the healy.... the thought is to use this as a mechanism of putting aggro back onto a tank if it's to the healy.....

Has anyone made a druid healing threat calculator where you can run spell patterns thru and look at the threat profile of the healing sequence?

So far I've just been using healbot's aggro which tells me when someone has aggro but does not let me see it building in some form of bar, does omen show you the threat build profile so you can see when u are getting close to being in trouble?

Still hoping these aren't dumb questions :-)

Hots cause threat when they tick. Obviously this means that spells will not cause more threat with up front burst per se, but the threat will accumulate in a shorter amount of time which might not give your tank time to generate enough threat. However, to be honest, I've never had a problem with threat. Make sure you are specced for Subtlety which in most decent resto builds these days you will anyway. With the improvements to AOE tools like Thunderclap, Swipe and Conscecrate, if you are causing to much threat (whilst specced for Subtlety) and pulling I would be seeing what your tank isn't doing properly.

I never have aggro problems with good tanks, it's the not so good/newbie tanks I'm trying to figure out how to work with :-)

Sounds like I just lay off all pre-pull HoTs and hope I can play catchup after the pull, downside of this is that more junior tanks are usually not geared as well so at the same time as having problems getting aggro they also go down faster so double whammy. Might try HoT's then stealth for a bit while they round up aggro as suggested.

edit: nevermind, mis-read

Very true, its a valid tactic, but I don't think its required, its very effective on that fight and that is one fight out of the current end game. I don't think one encounter validates hots as not being fire-and-forget. In most of the current encounters if you throw someone a rejuvenation the chances you need to refresh that rejuvenation on that person is slim to say the least.

With the upcoming Wild growth nerf and considering that Spell power is still much better than any other stats for druids I'm wondering if it would not be better, in a raid environment, to spec for lunar guidance.

This would give you 3% haste from celestial focus, 12% more spellpower (so between 100 and 125 spellpower raid buffed) but you would have to give up GoteM Wg and replenish.

I'm love to hear what everybody else thinks.

The huge sacrifice from GoTEM for only <150 SP is honestly not worth thinking about with current levels of gear.
Wild Growth really does not change much, it was ment to be a bonus utility/support spell not an additional signiture core ability of Resto Druids... if anything the 'loss' of WG will make you more reliant on GoTEM for getting HoTs up as fast as possible.

Currently WG is around 15-20% of my healing for both trash and bosses in raiding and I'm aready fairly lax with it in order to make sure the CD has as little effect on me as possible.. I expect it to dip slightly due to the loss of being able to have it on melee and range at once on some encounters (I'm rather certain I didn't do this often) but it is still a very significant amount of my healing.

Wild Growth is still a cheap, efficient and "powerful" tool in regards to the return/cost per GCD and in situations that it is designed for you cannot fault it honestly.


One thing to keep in mind is that with CoH sniping being removed it will make our HoTs much more effective (this includes WG) due to them being able to tick more often.
I am slightly concerned that we might possibly end up with some HoT nerfs down the road if it really does enhance us too much as on the few times there has been no CoH Priest for raid healing in 25 mans I noticed a rather sharp rise in my own healing done. Naturally this is a "time will tell" thought and probably only going to be noticable in 25man but we will see how things go.

Anybody tried out this build?

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I found Subtlety to be completely useless in 100% of situations, and after testing Imp Tranq I found that every fight I would want to use it multiple times on (Gluth, Loatheb, etc), it either wasn't up again after initial usage (Gluth) or it didn't go all the way through (Loatheb).