Why not spec both? 18/0/53 can easily accommodate LS. Until they fix tranquil spirit, crit scaling and/or replenish, there is little reason not to pick both of them.
I made a post about this already, but perhaps I am missing something. What exactly is wrong with Replenish? Yes I know Ghostcrawler said it is bad, I mean aside from that . For me it returns more mana raidwide than talents like improved blessing of wisdom which holy paladins generally take, along with a small dps gain for rogues/death knights/feral druids.
Two problems:
1. On that post you said you spammed rejuv. Rejuv is a bad raid healing spell in 25 men raids since it'll likely be healed over. It only shines in specific circumstances like damage aura fights (sapphiron, vortex healing).
2. Holy pally 53/0/18 build doesn't have very attractive options besides imp BoW.
First off, the poster you are quoting has incorrect information. You cannot think of CF, Moonkin Aura, or Wrath of Air Totem as having Haste Rating Values. These values will change based upon what buffs and talents you have. Unlike your gear, Talents and Buffs are mutiplicative NOT additive.
Two problems:
1. On that post you said you spammed rejuv. Rejuv is a bad raid healing spell in 25 men raids since it'll likely be healed over. It only shines in specific circumstances like damage aura fights (sapphiron, vortex healing).
2. Holy pally 53/0/18 build doesn't have very attractive options besides imp BoW.
Re: 1. I don't understand your logic. Almost every good healing spell has a lot of overheal. This is true of chain heal, this is true of holy light, and it's certainly true of every hot druids cast (even though a lot of overheal doesn't show up on the meter tools like WWS). The fact is, if you need to provide more HPS to the raid than a 6 second Wild Growth can provide your only real option as a druid is to proactively stack hots, regardless of mana cost. Rejuv is the best hot for this purpose because it's efficient, lasts a long time, and can be applied to one person per second. In 25 man runs these days Rejuv does 40-50% of my healing, and I am more than keeping up with resto shamans and holy priests (in fact in many fights it's very easy to do well on meters as a druid). Rejuv isn't bad, it's awesome, especially with the mana reduction idol.
Re: 2. The fact that people argue where to put the last few points in a resto druid build shows that there isn't a single dominant spec, and most of the choices are marginal (with the exception of celestial focus if you are under the softcap). In other words, druids face the same situation as holy paladins -- there aren't really very good places for the last few points. It's down to some combination of 3% crit on direct heals, 3% haste on direct heals, 1-3% healing (living seed), minor raidwide mp5/energy/runic power boost, or powering up healing touch (which most druids rarely use).
If you are hot heavy and at soft cap, it seems living seed and the small raidwide boost is what you would take.
Fallen Angel Healing is not about topping the meters, Healing is about having everyones life toped. Rej is super for this, because sustained dmg income is healed sustained and spike dmg income is healed with swiftmend. In every Fight situatin where you have to expect high spiky raid dmg you should have a raid full with RJ, example Malygos P2 when changing the Bubbles. Or Kel'Thuzad throw it on the healers for Frosttombs, in addition if you have replenish the have more mana to waste on what ever needs heal or will need heal. In addition RJ will often heal the aoe Frost dmg. With the RJ idol you can heal with RJ while almost loosing no mana.
And RJ does heal a lot more now than before the 6 sec cd on WG, you heal the targets CoH cant anymore. And if you talk to your healing mates, they will configure their Grid to see your hots, and wont overheal them.
Rej is the most mana efficient Heal for raid heal, and when other healers do the job you dont need to do, then you got to many healers with you. You could try to dps. 2k dps is more than useless.
Even if i wrote on the top that Healing is not about topping the meters, it is easy to top the meters as a heal druid.
The positive side of Replenish is that even though it doesn't tick for much very often (which is why I believe GC referred to it as a lackluster talent), it does tick on overheals. The times when I use RJ a lot are intensive fights like Saph and the vortex (as was mentioned), and those are times I want to squeeze every bit of mana out of every possible place. That's why I like Replenish. I do hope they improve it, of course, but I don't think it's as completely worthless as I first thought when I was under the impression it only ticked on actual heals.
I did not know the talent was applied mutiplicatively.
So at 5/5 GotEM and 3/3 CF with 325 haste rating, what is my GCD and cast time on Regrowth and Nourish?
GotEM I am told works differently then CF and other Buffs. Also GotEM has nothing at all to do with Nourish and Regrowth. Only LB, Rejuv, and WG.
Originally Posted by uliko
If imp. moonkin/swift retribution works the same way as wrath of air we'd get: where 1.05 is wrath of air, 1.03 is moonkin/ret and h is how much haste needed to reach 1s GCD on GotEM spells since it's -0.3s after haste.
Solving for h gives: or 6.7% haste.
So according to the OP, the -.3 sec from 5/5 GotEM is taken off at then end. Unfortunately I personally am unsure of a way to provide proof for this. I need an Addon that allows me to see a tooltip or something for GCD. The logic makes sense though since you are using 2 different mechanics. Haste is the increase of casting speed, GotEM is the reduction, so one can only assume each works seperately from the originally Base (G)CD. Hence why GotEM would always be a constant regardless of any other effects (except other reduction effects which are not present at this time).
EDIT: To answer the cast time portion of your question for Regrowth and Nourish with 325 Rating in gear and CF (no other buffs):
Fallen Angel Healing is not about topping the meters, Healing is about having everyones life toped. Rej is super for this, because sustained dmg income is healed sustained and spike dmg income is healed with swiftmend. In every Fight situatin where you have to expect high spiky raid dmg you should have a raid full with RJ, example Malygos P2 when changing the Bubbles. Or Kel'Thuzad throw it on the healers for Frosttombs, in addition if you have replenish the have more mana to waste on what ever needs heal or will need heal. In addition RJ will often heal the aoe Frost dmg. With the RJ idol you can heal with RJ while almost loosing no mana.
And RJ does heal a lot more now than before the 6 sec cd on WG, you heal the targets CoH cant anymore. And if you talk to your healing mates, they will configure their Grid to see your hots, and wont overheal them.
Rej is the most mana efficient Heal for raid heal, and when other healers do the job you dont need to do, then you got to many healers with you. You could try to dps. 2k dps is more than useless.
Even if i wrote on the top that Healing is not about topping the meters, it is easy to top the meters as a heal druid.
My only problem with rejuv is that it is slow to apply healing. It depends on the situation but when there are several people taking damage and you need to get their health up quickly waiting three seconds between rejuv ticks isn't always the best option.
Of course it depends on your raid make up. Our guild was hit hard by the WG/CoH nerf because we only have one semi-active resto shaman. If I'm on raid healing along with a priest or another druid when there is bursty raid damage (3 drake sarth or maly), I find that relying on rejuv too much leaves the raid vulnerable to death or that my swiftmend cooldown isn't up right when I need it. I usually go with regrowth and then mix rejuv in when there is no burst to heal. Wtb resto shaman /sigh.
Last edited by George : 01/29/09 at 2:52 AM.
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my only problem with rejuv is that it is slow to apply healing. it depends on the situation but when there are several people taking damage and you need to get their health up quickly then waiting 3 seconds between rejuv ticks isn't always the best option. of course it depends on your raid make up, our guild was hit hard by the WG/CoH nerf because we only have one semi active resto shaman. if i'm on raid healing along with a priest or another druid on fights where there is bursty raid damage (3 drake sarth or maly)
i find that relying on rejuv too much leaves the raid vulnerable to death and i my swiftmend CD is just never up fast enough. i usually go with regrowth and then mix rejuv in when there is no burt to heal. wtb resto shaman /sigh.
We haven't done 3-drake Sarth yet so I can't comment, but on Maly, the multiple-person damage is spikey but predictable (unlike Saph which is slow and steady). Yes, if someone gets hit twice in a row by the scions outside the bubble, that hurts, but on the vortex, the arcane breath, and his deep breath, everyone takes a whole bunch of damage ... and then it stops. Just because everyone took 10k damage in 1s doesn't mean it needs to be healed up to full in 1s. Let your hots tick. Have the priest cast COH and then do something else and then cast it again.
And if someone gets hit by the scions with rejuv up, that's what swiftmend is for. My swiftmend CD usually isn't down unless I'm playing race-the-other-healers for shits and giggles, or if a bunch of people are doing something dumb they're not supposed to.
My two cents anyway. I find that a lot of people don't trust hots, and this just sounds like a case of that to me.
I totally agree about rejuv on P1 in Malygos, the vortex damage is predictable so rejuv works great and the other damage in P1 doesn't require players to be topped up immediately.
When it comes to P2 without anyone hitting the raid regularly with bursty heals I really don't trust HoTs. I've tried rejuv but we just lost dps all over the place, I found regrowth gave the benefit of a big top up and a long lasting HoT that can be swiftmended as needed. I'm certain it comes down to healing make up. We rarely have a shaman and now I think about it since the patch we've only had one priest raid who has been discipline.
No guild would raid with 2 pallies/3 druids and one disc priest as a heal team if they had other options. Our druids are filling the gaps of other classes who respecced/rerolled DPS so we are probably picking spells for different reasons than most. My point was more or less that druid raid healing spell choices can't be boxed into rejuv always being the best option.
Last edited by George : 01/29/09 at 3:08 AM.
Reason: Capitalization and wording.
GCD of Thorns and Rejuvenation with varied haste and Celestial Focus levels.
/cast Thorns
/script local start, duration, enable = GetActionCooldown(4);DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(duration);
Using the above macro, I tested the GCD of Thorns and Rejuvenation with both 336 Haste Rating and 0 Haste rating with various levels of Celestial Focus. My spec included 5/5 GotEM. My armory profile reflects the gear I used. I had no buffs during the test.
Here is my raw data. Feel free to draw/post your own conclusions. Notice that Celestial Focus decreases the GCD even when your Haste Rating from gear is 0.
I don't particularly like rejuv for raid healing because other healers will heal over your hot. It's not a matter of being unaware, leaving someone at 50% hp just because a rejuv will get him to full 18 seconds later isn't a good choice. No, this isn't some I-need-to-top-the-meters thing, if I cast a rejuv on someone and then another healer tops him up, I wasted my time and mana on that rejuv.
Rejuv is very strong in some situations, it's a great way to counter periodic damage or to set up a SM in case you suspect you'll need it. It's also a hot you want up on your tanks 100% of the time. But if someone is already at 70% or lower, it's just too slow. For that purpose, regrowth and nourish are better. WWS is our naxx clear WG-nerf, rejuv is actually the top healing spell by a small margin, although I suspect it's a combination of several fights (sapphiron, loatheb) that strongly favor it along with under-utilization of WG due to adjusting to the cooldown.
And if you use rejuv to heal frost blast...I'm not sure what to say. Don't.
I think it has great options. While I agree it should not be used as raiding healing ('cept particular fights) it does have it's benefits for some raid healing, such as ret pallys. I always keep a rejuv on every tank, every lock, and every ret pallys. There's a balance to just about everything it seems.
No guild would raid with 2 pallies/3 druids and one disc priest as a heal team if they had other options. Our druids are filling the gaps of other classes who respecced/rerolled DPS so we are probably picking spells for different reasons than most. My point was more or less that druid raid healing spell choices can't be boxed into rejuv always being the best option.
I definitely agree that RJ isn't always the best option, but it is a very good option. The nature of hots in general means they're going to be healed over very quickly.
I just don't find that having a shaman in the raid is a necessity, but maybe I'm a little bit laid back about things. If one of the dps dies, it's usually because they stood in the blizzard or whatever the incoming damage was. When people die, it's not usually because of our raid makeup, it's because someone was screwing around, doing something they shouldn't. So does a shaman pick up the slack when the dps drops it better than any other healing class? Maybe. But for predictable fights that everyone knows, it is my opinion that just about any makeup (with a fairly good mix of healers) should be able to do it.
I would be interested in arguments to the contrary; as I said, I'm more laid back about things. I do my absolute best to keep everyone alive, but if they die, 99% of the time, it's because they dropped the ball, not the healers. And I'm not going to beat myself up because someone couldn't dance on Heigen. But I will pat myself on the back for a well-timed RJ+swiftmend when they don't move fast enough.
I'm trying to understand if there are any caps, or points of negligable return, on +heals, intelligence, stamina and haste for a resto?
I'm pretty much all in fully enchanted/gemmed 200 lvl gear and I have noticed for my last 3-4 upgrades the impact on my +heals has been non-existant.
Is there a site/post that explains the calculations for the resto stats with regards to caps or how they are scaled at the higher levels? Trying to figure out if I'm wasteing gems/enchants on capped, or virtually capped stats....
Other question - is any one healing Naxx on dialup? I have every peice of gear available out of the 5-mans but have not taken a run at Naxx as there is no high speed available in my area. Has any1 run 10 man Naxx on dial?
Is there a site/post that explains the calculations for the resto stats with regards to caps or how they are scaled at the higher levels? Trying to figure out if I'm wasteing gems/enchants on capped, or virtually capped stats....
I don't particularly like rejuv for raid healing because other healers will heal over your hot. It's not a matter of being unaware, leaving someone at 50% hp just because a rejuv will get him to full 18 seconds later isn't a good choice. No, this isn't some I-need-to-top-the-meters thing, if I cast a rejuv on someone and then another healer tops him up, I wasted my time and mana on that rejuv.
Rejuv is very strong in some situations, it's a great way to counter periodic damage or to set up a SM in case you suspect you'll need it. It's also a hot you want up on your tanks 100% of the time. But if someone is already at 70% or lower, it's just too slow. For that purpose, regrowth and nourish are better.
I agree here, great post by the way.
I think the thing to note here is that as much as we want to post on the topic, there are simply TOO many variables that effect this.
Take for example a 25 man with 3 druid healers (yes, I know). Now, each of us are specced / glyphed differently. One of us heavy HT build, one rejuv/regrowth (me), and the other a hybrid. Now, I can't speak for the other two but the three of us combined are quite the weapon. I am not on top of their casts, and we are getting good enough (sorry if that sounds cocky- not my intention) to know on each fight who is casting what....when. I do find myself usually doing this (changes per fight however)
rejuv on the tank group, then hit the MT with regrowth, (if aoe dmg is going on, WG), and I keep a rejuv/regrowth up on the tank group, spot healing the raid with regrowth and WG.
The other druids are doing other spells and YES in times healing over the top of me - which I think is unavoidable in any case.
The point is however that if any of the tanks take a dmg spike - swiftmend is there and a HT macro if needed.
This is fun stuff, but I will admit my lack of complete understanding as I learn the specifics. If you guys have any tips on my gear/build/cast sequence I'd love to learn even more.
In regards to raid healing, I do think RJ is very effective used in the following manner. With RJ having a 1 sec GCD, the RJ->SM combo is our quickest hitting heal. Yes it is 2 key-clicks, and no this content doesn't demand cutting edge play, but you should be forming good habits for Ulduar. SM's 15-sec CD should be used proactively (as in, when it's up, look for the next chance to use it, instead of only as an oh-sh!t button).
I.e., on Maly arcane breath, try WG / RJ->SM / RG&Nourish weaving and you should top meters. Imho, this rotation is good for any raid damage. Healers aren't excluded from having rotations. It just occurred to me that I use this same rotation for OS+3.
Can anyone confirm this that brambles only helps your own thorns? I'm going to live test it right now.
Farming lashers in Wintergrasp for the daily yesterday, I threw Thorns on myself and an affliction lock who was also there.
In my PvP gear (which I wear in Wintergrasp), I have about 1700 spellpower (not sure of the exact number). Thorns scales at 6.6%. I'd predict my thorns to do
The Warlock's armory shows 1336 +spell, and 170 spirit, unbuffed. Add my MotW and his spirit should go to 207. Fel Armor is 150 spell + 30% spirit->spell. He has 3/3 Demonic Aegis, which is a 30% boost to Fel Armor. His +spell (assuming no gear change) would have been about
1336 + 1.3*(150+207*.3) = 1651, or 2241 when his [Flow of Knowledge] procc'ed.
/cast Thorns
/script local start, duration, enable = GetActionCooldown(4);DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(duration);
Using the above macro, I tested the GCD of Thorns and Rejuvenation with both 336 Haste Rating and 0 Haste rating with various levels of Celestial Focus. My spec included 5/5 GotEM. My armory profile reflects the gear I used. I had no buffs during the test.
Here is my raw data. Feel free to draw/post your own conclusions. Notice that Celestial Focus decreases the GCD even when your Haste Rating from gear is 0.
Thank you Red. You have brought to light a pretty significant difference of Uliko’s formula since patch 3.0.8. Although the GotEM reduction did occur at the end of the formula at a fixed .3, .24, .18, .12, .06 sec off the final cast, it is now just a 20%/16%/12%/8%/4% reduction.
Uliko’s formula for your example of 336 haste with 5/5 GotEM and 3/3 CF on Rejuv as previously interpretted:
336/32.79=10.247026
(1.5GCD/(~1.1024703*1.03)) - .3 = 1.0209523 Revuj Cast Time (Your script shows that the result of this is 1.056)
The following is the same but subtracting 20% from the new cast time rather then -.3 sec or 30%Haste as an equivalance to 20% base reduction (5/5 GotEM):
I’ve ran the same formula for each of your GCD posts regarding GotEM both with 1,2, and 3 CF and they all match 100%. It appears as though your script OR WoW always rounds down to the nearest thousandth.
So this brings to light some corrections to the current Soft Cap Spreadsheet floating between this thread and the Restoration Itemization Thread.
In order to maintain a 1sec GCD on Rejuv, LB, and WG:
EDIT #1: I have verified in game that WotAT and other outside sourses do indeed work the same way and support the formula I have posted.
EDIT#2: Forgot to type some division symbols.
EDIT#3: I forgot to state that 5/5 GotEM without any other buffs or talent you would need ~655 Haste Rating or ~19.98%
EDIT #4: Based on a response from Uliko, I corrected the wording at the top to reflect the fact that GotEM% reduction can be applied off the 1.5 GCD OR the GCD after Haste. Both results in the same result.
Nature's grace is really good for fights like Patchwerk
5/5 in Improved Regrowth help with my Living Seed to proc more often
Living Seed heal for 2k to 5k, and its free!
1.5/(((Mod1/100+1)*(Mod2/100+1)*(Mod3/100+1)*(Mod4/100+1))) = N (1-G%) = Actual GCD
OR
1.5(1-G%)/(((Mod1/100+1)*(Mod2/100+1)*(Mod3/100+1)*(Mod4/100+1))) = Actual GCD
Modn = CF(Max 3), WoAT(5), Ret Aura(3) or Imp Moonkin Aura(3), Haste% from Gear(H)
N = New Base GCD
G = % from GotEM based from number of talents points applied
I tried to write it out as clear as possible. The (Modn/100+1) is just converting each % pt to a decimal with the value of itself plus the increase.
In the end, it is just a different way of writing Uliko's formula but with a different application of GotEM.
Edit: Simplified Equation a bit more. Removed the X facter.
Edit: Added the fact that you can take the GotEM reduction off the 1.5 Base rather then after Haste if you feel like it. Same result either way.
I don't particularly like rejuv for raid healing because other healers will heal over your hot. It's not a matter of being unaware, leaving someone at 50% hp just because a rejuv will get him to full 18 seconds later isn't a good choice. No, this isn't some I-need-to-top-the-meters thing, if I cast a rejuv on someone and then another healer tops him up, I wasted my time and mana on that rejuv.
Rejuv is very strong in some situations, it's a great way to counter periodic damage or to set up a SM in case you suspect you'll need it. It's also a hot you want up on your tanks 100% of the time. But if someone is already at 70% or lower, it's just too slow. For that purpose, regrowth and nourish are better. WWS is our naxx clear WG-nerf, rejuv is actually the top healing spell by a small margin, although I suspect it's a combination of several fights (sapphiron, loatheb) that strongly favor it along with under-utilization of WG due to adjusting to the cooldown.
And if you use rejuv to heal frost blast...I'm not sure what to say. Don't.
I agree that Rejuv is not the spell to go to when someone is already missing health. If they need the health now they can't wait three seconds, and I would probably use wildgrowth or lifebloom or nourish, or swiftmend it it's available and needed. But I still use it in a lot of fights preemptively, such that if several people take damage at once probably at least one of them will get a rejuv tick right away, and if the tank or someone else happens to be taking heavy damage at the time I can be a bit less worried about the other people taking damage. Additionally I find it helpful to keep on healers and myself, because they benefit from the replenish (which I think is worth taking, because if you're squeezing every last bit of mana it all helps), and they can be swiftmended if needed.
And about frost blast, obviously putting rejuv on someone who just got frost blasted is about the least helpful thing you can do unless you intend to swiftmend. I like to keep up rejuv on as many targets as possible in that fight, especially healers and myself, for the swiftmend possibility. Additionally I try to keep up a few lifeblooms on myself if I can just because that way I'm a bit less worried about my own life in Frost Blast. This is also a great idea if 2 healing on 10-man.
Basically though, the great advantage of Rejuv is it's long duration and low GCD, so you can keep it on many targets. It's great for preemptive healing, bad for reactive healing.
Originally Posted by atliens
In regards to raid healing, I do think RJ is very effective used in the following manner. With RJ having a 1 sec GCD, the RJ->SM combo is our quickest hitting heal. Yes it is 2 key-clicks, and no this content doesn't demand cutting edge play, but you should be forming good habits for Ulduar. SM's 15-sec CD should be used proactively (as in, when it's up, look for the next chance to use it, instead of only as an oh-sh!t button).
I.e., on Maly arcane breath, try WG / RJ->SM / RG&Nourish weaving and you should top meters. Imho, this rotation is good for any raid damage. Healers aren't excluded from having rotations. It just occurred to me that I use this same rotation for OS+3.
I disagree with using swiftmend on cooldown. I also don't think it should be saved for only oh shit moments. If I used it on cooldown then it's not going to be there when I need it. But of course being only a 15 second cooldown I try not to save it, because if someone dies when I could have used it then that's a poor healing choice on my part.
Using swiftmend to top healing meters is lowering your own skill as a healer to appease the people who know nothing about healing. I myself have at times swiftmended a non-tank when I know or see on Grid that a heal is incoming and they are at not at immediate risk of death, and I do it fully knowing that I'm just padding the meters and that it's a poor healing practice. I am usually doing this out of spite, when someone is heavily watching the healing meters and thinks that a certain healer is some sort of demigod for their ability to hit CoH.
I healed last week for our run at Immortal (got it thankfully). I use a heavy rejuvenation style. Our normal restoration druid Felgarr uses a much more regrowth-centric healing style.
For all the fuss over which is better, we both did pretty comparable healing ratios.
My run was with 6 healers and his was with 5, but we're competing against the same other healers and doing the same content except his run also did Sarth and Malygos.
At the very least until we get harder content, I don't think there's a "wrong" spell to prefer
The thing I like best about Tree healing in Wrath is the sheer amount of options available to us when it comes to healing. I have a pretty standard 14/0/57 build and am specced and glyphed for Regrowth. However, I find that as a whole fights differ in what is my most used effective heal.
For fights like Sapphiron, Malygos, and Loatheb, Rejuv seems to be the best option. I see a lot of debate around using Rejuv for Loatheb, but to me it just seems to allow you to pump out the most effective healing in the short time that Necrotic Aura is down. For instance, you can Rejuv as many people as possible, WG a clump (melee or ranged) 1 sec before it drops and use the other time to drop a direct heal or two on someone in trouble and/or the tank. It's a little intensive on the mana, but with the Idol Of Awakening it's nothing too bad. Those are the encounters I can recall off of the top of my head where Rejuv is over 50% of my effective healing. On a fight like Patchwerk Lifebloom tends to become a major source of healing as well (around 45%) for obvious reasons. I don't recall a fight where Regrowth has had such a high percentage of my healing (>40% or so), but on fights such as KT it sees a lot of use.
Actually, my healing tends to lean more towards an even ~ 25-30% split between Rejuv, Regrowth, and either Lifebloom or WG depending on encounter and assignment. The rest of my percentages are the 4th heal plus Swiftmend/Living Seed/NS+HT/whatever else. I'm not sure if that makes me a "hybrid" healer or what, but I feel it's been pretty effective. I like feeling that I am balanced and use a large portion of my healing "toolkit" regularly. I don't know if this is a "good" or "bad" way to do things, but it seems to me that there are quite a few good ways to Tree heal at the moment- we shall see if Ulduar requires more min/maxing or not.
For instance, on tonight's Sarth 3D kill my percentage was 28/26/23/16 Rejuv/RG/LB/WG with the rest being "other" (Swiftmend and Living Seed, mainly). I was healing the adds tank and then assisting with the other tanks and raid, mainly through Rejuv, RG and WG. I was first on the meter for the kill, but I always wonder about the validity of measuring who was #1 in a fight that's more about keeping yourself and others alive...and the other healers were definitely competitive with my output.
My healing style differs from our other two Trees one of which is a heavy LB/WG/Rejuv user and the other a big fan of glyphed HT. I feel these differing styles make us much more "stackable", if that makes sense. I grouped with the former Druid both in Naxx 25 last evening and tonight's raid, and I thought that we were an extremely powerful healing pair.
Last edited by Mesmerelda : 01/30/09 at 6:11 AM.
Reason: Clarity/stuff I forgot =/
01/28/09, 4:06 PM
. For me it returns more mana raidwide than talents like improved blessing of wisdom which holy paladins generally take, along with a small dps gain for rogues/death knights/feral druids.
