I don't really see the point of dumping wild growth, even with the cooldown on it.

I see wild growth used on cooldown anyway just cause it's a too powerful spell:

- in a tank and spank fight, it's 1 hot more on the tank. The good thing about WG is that it ticks every second (less chanche of wasted ticks than rej or regrowth) and the cooldown match its duration. That means 100% uptime, roughly 70% of 3xlifbloom stack HPS plus whatever splash damage melee/ot can eventually get. without you even worry about targeting them. And it's really cheap aswell.

- in a splash damage fight it will still be used on cooldown but its efficiency scales dramatically due to the number of targets available. The fact it also auto select the targets in needs of heal around the one you cast it is invaluable in a whole number of situations, especially if you play 25 mans.

Yes it will not be 40-50% of our healing like it is now, but do you really think that you can skip it? I don't think so, the spell mechanics and scaling make it just good to have.

I've a hard time picturing a fight where WG wouldn't be worth more than few extra % of spellpower seeing how at minimum it can be used as an extra singletarget hot.

In a hectic fight it's difficult to always find the time to decide where to use singletarget heals. My personal rule of thumb is to use wild growth when unsure, smart targeting gives it a pretty decent chance to be helpful.

I missed this information in forum, so need to ask you about it.

How i know SP benefit depends from cast time. Also i know what Haste reducing cast time. So, does it mean what haste reducing benefit from SP?

The same with talents, whats reducing cast time.

sry if question is stupid^^

@Whispur:

This bears repeating. No, +120 spellpower is not worth losing 20% haste on hots and Wild Growth.

Also you loose 8% from GotEM which is a 0.12 Sec cut from the Global CD, which is worth more than 8% Haste

As you see in this post with Hastecalculation for different situation and this post about how GotEM is applied

so if you have a 5 GotEM+ Celestial Focus + Moonkin/Retriaura + Wrath of Air totem you need at least 118 Haste Rating for a 1 Sec GCD
if you have a 5 GotEM + Moonkin/Retriaura + Wrath of Air totem you need 220 Haste Rating to hit a 1 Sec GCD.
if you miss 2 Points of GotEM and WG for Lunar Guidance you need with same buffs 341 Haste for a 1 Sec GCD.

so if you have no CF but 5 GotEM you need 7,43% less haste than if you only get 3 Points in GotEM but have CF. Not 5% like stated above. Haste calculation is not 8%-3%=5% ! CF is worth more than 98.37 Haste Rating (3% Haste equivalent) but 1 Point in GotEM is even worth more than 6% Gear Haste, but only for those spells.

New/interesting post by GC (here)

Main points:
- Replenish is known to be a poor talent.
- Living Seed is not considered that bad.
- Honestly, there is a technical limitation that prevents hots (and dots) from being able to crit. We are removing that limitation though, so who knows.
- Haste and armor pen are things we put on lower level gear to make it lower level gear. Higher level gear will be more suitablly optimized.

The third point is the most interesting as this will (finally) give us the possibility of having a means of crit rating being non-shit on our gear. If this did happen though I assume the base would be nerfed slightly due to the general increase and additional scaling we would end up with.

Follwup response which seemed to agree with my assumption.

I don't know why the affliction lock and shadow priest work around wouldn't work for HoTs.

Totally aggree with that because the Crits would often be at the wrong time, Resto Druid is about constancy, your hots should give the other healers time to react, if there is something like this. A buffer of Hots which can or cant crit is worthless because you get more worst case scenarios.

I think that the crit % will somehow work into the SP to Heal calculation will make the gear choices more exciting.

Now RJ Ticks are 0.647* SP+ Base Tick

Could be a factor like RJ Tick = 0.55 SP*(1+ Critchance)+Base Tick (at around 17% crit its the same like it is now, the same as Shadow Priests if I'm not totally wrong)

or just a SP converter RJ Tick = 0.6*(SP+Critrating/2) or something like that.

All numbers how it could be are just out of the blue, how it could be implented to work with the constancy of your hots.

Regarding GCs post: Interestingly enough the original poster refers to haste & crit while GC then responds on haste & penetration.

Anyway, I'm not sure this applies to resto druids in any real fashion. What are they going to replace crit or haste with on higher level gear? Hit? Spell penetration? Expertise? Resilience? Defence? Dodge? Parry? Armor penetration? Block rating? Block value? Strength? Agility? Spell resistances? Bonus armor?

They could add more sockets, that's about it. We are already getting pretty much every stat that is useful to us. They could start itemizing less stats on gear when we got up tiers instead of more and the gear would get better. Pretty much every other spec will at the same time be getting more stats on gear, though, so I'm doubting this would actually happen.

Mark my words though, this is what's going to happen: we'll get some form of crit scaling on hots. Blizzard might make some time debating this (and then some more time rationalizing why it isn't needed) but they'll eventually do it. They did it with pretty much everyone who wasn't getting 100% crit damage modifier (except pure arcane mages who "only" get 75%) and they did it with both the dot heavy specs in game.

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I tend to agree and disagree with that. While I love the idea of a PWS-like mechanic, my main problem with Living Seed is the cost. I think the better solution to Living Seed would be to reduce it to a 1 point talent and buff/move some other things around in the tree. An example would be switch it with living touch & add nourish to living touch. That would also kick the problem the developers have with the utility of Nourish.