Resto (PvE) Healing Discussion - Page 133

Capulatio · 10/01/09, 5:13 PM

I was healing TotC 10 today, and I found that as a Druid (unlike my previous posts) I was raid healing. I was wondering what are the HPS numbers for using Nourish over Rejuv? Because for events like P3 Anub, I find that Rejuv isn't strong enough to keep the raid members above 50%. Does this change with 4set T8?

My Armory is here: The World of Warcraft Armory

So, should I feel bad that I am using nourish? I have read in this thread that people have a dislike to it, but I noticed based on Recount, my HPS went up and my overall healing went up, and my over healing went down.

Just curious as to how other people heal P3?

Galahatten · 10/01/09, 6:02 PM

To me this seems like a exactly that: A huge thing. Like you mentioned, this means more gcds used on refreshing our hots on tanks and others taking dmg regularly and on the "5xRejuv, 1xWG"-kind of fights, it's obviously going to result in having hots on three less guys.

I don't think its gonna change the healing-style of druids a lot though; we're still gonna be healing in the same fashion - just less effective.

Is it warranted or not? Let's try and stay clear of that discussion.

OnyxShadow · 10/01/09, 6:04 PM

Originally Posted by Capulatio

I was healing TotC 10 today, and I found that as a Druid (unlike my previous posts) I was raid healing. I was wondering what are the HPS numbers for using Nourish over Rejuv? Because for events like P3 Anub, I find that Rejuv isn't strong enough to keep the raid members above 50%. Does this change with 4set T8?

My Armory is here: The World of Warcraft Armory

So, should I feel bad that I am using nourish? I have read in this thread that people have a dislike to it, but I noticed based on Recount, my HPS went up and my overall healing went up, and my over healing went down.

Just curious as to how other people heal P3?

From looking at your Armory, I will guess that resto isn't your main spec. Don't take offense to the following if I'm incorrect.

First of all, I have found in the past that the best way to determine what spells were ideal for an encounter is to look at Recount for a druid that does very well. However, you will generally find that its about 50% rejuv, 25% WG, 25% nourish/lifebloom/swiftmend/etc. If you are doing nourish for most of your healing, you're probably doing it wrong. On a single target or two, it does provide fairly fast healing, but other classes do direct healing as well or better than we do.

Anub is an interesting fight. Its actually the one encounter I generally do NOT end up with the most effective healing in the raid. Phase 1 and 2 are mostly tank healing, and phase 3 where the real damage comes in, its still mostly just tank healing and getting to PC targets quickly. Rejuv should cover the majority of PC damage, but nourish will sometimes be needed to cover the rest.

With your current gear situation, I would definitely recommend getting 4-piece T8 since you are so close, and the bonus makes a nice difference.

Maraili · 10/01/09, 6:22 PM

The duration of Rejuv is being reduced, yes, but from the patch notes it looks like we can infer that the base healing of the ability will stay the same. If the base healing stays the same, Rejuv ticks will end up slightly stronger, which makes this more of a mixed bag instead of a straight up nerf.

Would somebody who can get on the PTR please clarify this? For reference, here is WoWHead version of the spell:

Rejuvenation Rank 15
18% of base mana 40 yd range
Instant cast
Heals the target for 1690 over 15 sec.

• Hamlet · 10/01/09, 6:47 PM

How are you inferring that from the patch notes?

Anyway, this is probably an inconsequential argument to start. Someone report from PTR.

Kactuz · 10/01/09, 6:55 PM

On TOC 25 hardmodes Nourish tends to be my top heal followed by rejuv or WG. I think it all depends on the fight. You cant just say if Nourish is ur most used spell you are doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by OnyxShadow

From looking at your Armory, I will guess that resto isn't your main spec. Don't take offense to the following if I'm incorrect.

First of all, I have found in the past that the best way to determine what spells were ideal for an encounter is to look at Recount for a druid that does very well. However, you will generally find that its about 50% rejuv, 25% WG, 25% nourish/lifebloom/swiftmend/etc. If you are doing nourish for most of your healing, you're probably doing it wrong. On a single target or two, it does provide fairly fast healing, but other classes do direct healing as well or better than we do.

Toadfoot · 10/01/09, 7:02 PM

You mean to tell me that they just noticed that Rejuv was providing an extra tick? That is kinda funny. I have a feeling they are just gonna take the last tick off and not increase the healing from the remaining ticks. If I am not mistaken that is basically a 20% nerf to rejuv. If 40% of your healing gets a 20% nerf that is about an 8% nerf overall? Yikes, but I guess we will have to see what the ptr shows.

Ragaklogg · 10/01/09, 7:45 PM

We will see but as natur splendor increase the duration without reducing healing done by each tick it will probably not change healing done by each tick and just remove the last one

OnyxShadow · 10/02/09, 2:27 AM

MMO Champion has the latest.

Restoration

* Rejuvenation now heals 1352 over 12 sec. (Down from 1690 over 15 sec)

Source: Patch 3.3 Now live on PTRs

Capulatio · 10/02/09, 2:29 AM

Originally Posted by OnyxShadow

From looking at your Armory, I will guess that resto isn't your main spec. Don't take offense to the following if I'm incorrect.

First of all, I have found in the past that the best way to determine what spells were ideal for an encounter is to look at Recount for a druid that does very well. However, you will generally find that its about 50% rejuv, 25% WG, 25% nourish/lifebloom/swiftmend/etc. If you are doing nourish for most of your healing, you're probably doing it wrong. On a single target or two, it does provide fairly fast healing, but other classes do direct healing as well or better than we do.

Anub is an interesting fight. Its actually the one encounter I generally do NOT end up with the most effective healing in the raid. Phase 1 and 2 are mostly tank healing, and phase 3 where the real damage comes in, its still mostly just tank healing and getting to PC targets quickly. Rejuv should cover the majority of PC damage, but nourish will sometimes be needed to cover the rest.

With your current gear situation, I would definitely recommend getting 4-piece T8 since you are so close, and the bonus makes a nice difference.

Well, Healing is my Main Spec, but i'm not the most skilled healer. Generally I get 50% Rejuv, 25% Nourish, 25% Regrowth/Swiftmend. I don't take offense to you saying it isn't my main spec, he is my first character though. What would make you say that though? What should I be working on? Please remember that I have been in a guild that only did Ulduar, and now that I have moved to a proper raiding guild I am getting som gear. The reason I get 50% Rejuv, is because I always stick Rejuv and Regrowth on the tanks to help out, then nourish who is needed. So when should I use Rejuv in this fight, should I just cast it on everyone so that it absorbs damage, or should I wait until I see it incoming, because at the end of the day Rejuv doesn't tick quick enough to be a quick heal. THe problem with getting 4 Piece T8, is that now I am only raiding Ony10/25, VoA10/25, Totc10/25 and Totc10 HC. Should I be going to Ulduar to get the pieces from the keepers?

Thanks

Nailer · 10/02/09, 6:38 AM

Originally Posted by OnyxShadow

* Rejuvenation now heals 1352 over 12 sec. (Down from 1690 over 15 sec)

Well there is nothing left from Lifebloom to nerf so we saw it coming. Hope they don't forget to improve Nourish some more... This means with WG on CD and the occasional SM / RG we will be able to maintain it on two groups. Not that HOT blanketing is that valuable anymore like it was in Ulduar, but I am really hoping to see our 4 piece T8 or T9 bonus added as a glyph now.

♦ Tecton · 10/02/09, 6:42 AM

The reduction in base healing for Rejuvenation is just to keep ticks at the same level (base tick of 338). If they'd left the base healing value at 1690 then we'd just have had a shorter, but slightly harder ticking rejuvenation.

Fafhrd · 10/02/09, 7:48 AM

Well how about reducing the mana cost to Rejuv by 20% then?
Anyway, Rejuv-blanketing was getting old. Hopefully this "bugfix" isn't because the Icecrown boss fights are full of constant raid-AoE...

Salgorne · 10/02/09, 8:00 AM

Ah wonderful, this means our 4pc t9 set bonus is even more useless than it was before, even that 5% crit on nourish is looking apealing compared to it now. Let's hope they give us some more spell power on it, perhaps another proc HoT.

Yes, becuase we all want to be holy paladins with bark.

Salgorne · 10/02/09, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by Capulatio

Well, Healing is my Main Spec, but i'm not the most skilled healer. Generally I get 50% Rejuv, 25% Nourish, 25% Regrowth/Swiftmend. I don't take offense to you saying it isn't my main spec, he is my first character though. What would make you say that though? What should I be working on? Please remember that I have been in a guild that only did Ulduar, and now that I have moved to a proper raiding guild I am getting som gear. The reason I get 50% Rejuv, is because I always stick Rejuv and Regrowth on the tanks to help out, then nourish who is needed. So when should I use Rejuv in this fight, should I just cast it on everyone so that it absorbs damage, or should I wait until I see it incoming, because at the end of the day Rejuv doesn't tick quick enough to be a quick heal. THe problem with getting 4 Piece T8, is that now I am only raiding Ony10/25, VoA10/25, Totc10/25 and Totc10 HC. Should I be going to Ulduar to get the pieces from the keepers?

Thanks

The key to druid healing is pre-hotting, you need to get HoTs on players BEFORE they take damage, allowing you time to spot heal with nourish if needed, and swiftmend tanks ect. while everyone is getting ticking heals from your rejuv. However, to do this you need to know exactly when the damage is going to come, so pay attention during boss fights, and reading up on tactics to find any mass AOE spells that are used. the t8.5 4pc set bonus is amazing for raid healing, the instant heal does about 2k.